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Unread 10-23-2017, 12:06 PM   #1
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Well, that was something. Spoilers ahead.



I don't know, I just don't have that loving feeling for TWD anymore.

Honestly, Fear the Walking Dead got better towards the end of last season, not great, but not terrible.

I felt the season premier last night just.. wasn't great? I don't know. The tactical nonsense was super irritating. "Lets all waste our bullets shooting out windows that clearly no one is behind!" also "Lets shoot at Negan, but not while he's just standing there." also "lets miss all of the shots we finally take at Negan".

I don't like nor 'get' the flash forwards. Hopefully they make more sense later.

Herding the zombies towards their base was.. ok? It seemed to take up way too much of the episode, and seeing them do it was boring.

I like the characters, for the most part (fuck Gregory) but the show runners do not do "big action" really well. They should have stuck to more survival/horror type stuff. I'm not even sure if the zombies killed anyone last night. It's basically just a post-apocalypse show now, with occasional sneaky zombies.

I'll keep watching, but I'm not really happy about it.
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We're feeling the same way. If the wife didn't want to watch, I think I'd be done. The things that irritate me are just becoming more and more irritating with each passing episode. Like you said, them not taking out Neegan during one of the countless opportunities they had this episode was painfully stupid. It was painfully stupid during all of the other episodes. Carl had how many perfect shots the episode he hid in the back of the truck? We still have sore eyes from all the eye rolling that episode.

Look, if the story you're telling doesn't work with Neegan dying too soon, stop putting him in situations where the other characters could easily kill him! It makes those other characters look weak and stupid. Weak and stupid characters are unlikable.

It always goes back to the convenience writing for me. It's ridiculously annoying. And it's not just this show.
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Yeah, and it further exacerbates the issue when you KNOW Negan isn't in any kind of danger. He has plot armor on. A full suit of it! Sure, they like shock deaths, but they're not going to kill him off without a big to-do.

It's as if we know it, Negan knows it, and the Survivors know it too, why bother trying to kill him when you know "the powers that be" won't make it so. But like you said it makes them look weak and stupid, and no one likes that.

And to your point, I don't remember them putting the Governor in such predicaments, where he was OBVIOUSLY able to be killed, but wasn't, because reasons.

The 'tactical' nonsense is really sticking in my craw though. They have all these people, who obviously are not all police/military/whatever.. but Jesus people. Just firing all willy nilly. The little car armor.. neat touch.. but to what end? It's not like they brought 500 people. And even so.. the plan was to get in, yell at them a bit, and then run away and let the zombies in? Meh.

The "victory" was lame.

They basically have enough of everything for this to almost not be post apocalyptic anymore. Just stop fighting and you all could be living like kings!
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As I recall, the zombie siege was to buy them time to eliminate outposts. It's been a while since I read the book.
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The 'tactical' nonsense is really sticking in my craw though. They have all these people, who obviously are not all police/military/whatever.. but Jesus people. Just firing all willy nilly. The little car armor.. neat touch.. but to what end? It's not like they brought 500 people. And even so.. the plan was to get in, yell at them a bit, and then run away and let the zombies in? Meh.

The "victory" was lame.
It was pointless is what it was. It was a season premier, it was a BIG showing on the part of Alexandria, Hilltop, Kingdom and the whole episode really turned out to be filler.

I mean, that BIG showing accomplished nothing except for starting a war that could've been ended by taking out Negan right then and there. So the point of the dick measuring was just to tick off Negan? Part of the elaborate plan to take out Negan (that they could've done at his front door) involves pissing him off to fight later? But Rick clearly wanted him dead there, so why didn't he take a shot when he had the chance? When they ALL had the chance?

Ah, right, plot. Filler.

So I end up right back where we started. Why bother putting Negan in a situation where he could've easily been killed? The "heroes" are total, unlikable, morons.

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As I recall, the zombie siege was to buy them time to eliminate outposts. It's been a while since I read the book.
You know what, you're right.

But I completely forgot they were doing that in part of the episode! I didn't even get that was the point until you said it.

It should have been broken down into a 2-part episode or something. 1st part is them planning it, letting the audience know what the plan is, staking out the outposts, etc. Then 2nd part is putting it all in motion.

It felt very rushed last night.
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And if Negan has so many people...where the hell were they??? I too thought the shooting out the windows was stupid, but for a moment I thought maybe it was for some purpose...but no. And what about wasting ammo?? Don't they have to worry about that?

And where's the junk people that betrayed Rick?

And eliminating outposts...so what? It's not like the blew up the buildings or whatever, won't Negan just repopulate them? Or make new ones?

Geez, what a mess.
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Well, you take out the outposts to keep them from lifting the siege.
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Ezekiel should be getting his shit pushed in on one such raid, and lose his cartoon tiger.

As to ammo, I haven't been watching, but Eugene should be producing ammunition at this point.
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It was just poorly communicated.

Eugene is with the Saviors right now too, so guess the other guys found a cache of ammo they don't mind wasting.

To go from the battle at the end of last season to this with nothing in-between just seems rushed.
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The end of the episode when Preacher found himself trapped with Negan... I wondered, uh, shoot him?

After the shot was pulling out, were we supposed to assume that the three loud pounding/booming sounds were Negan smashing Preacher's brains in?
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Well, you take out the outposts to keep them from lifting the siege.
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Ezekiel should be getting his shit pushed in on one such raid, and lose his cartoon tiger.

As to ammo, I haven't been watching, but Eugene should be producing ammunition at this point.
Ah, of course.

I also wonder why Rick took a Polaroid.
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Who's up for some episode two spoilers?
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Spoiler
The group is attacking Negan's outposts, when Morgan loses it a bit, and is killing everyone, and comes across Jared (the dickbag who was always picking a fight at the exchanges with The Kingdom) and gets stopped from killing him by Jesus. He's pissed. Meanwhile Rick and his team are fighting another group when he makes his way to the top floor and has a gun pulled on him...."Hi Rick"
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It's Morales from season one
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Had to look him up.
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Wow...that's the best they can do (Morales showing up)? How underwhelming.
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I mean.. yay? I guess.

You know, looking back at pictures to figure out who the hell Morales is.. I realized something I miss about the show.

For the first couple of seasons, there was an.. I don't know, almost.. Wonder about TWD world.. everything was a mystery.. why did this happen.. what happened.. who is still out there.. what is the city like.. etc etc. Now.. it's just more dickbag assholes and sneaky shambling corpses.

You don't wonder what is out there.. you know it's just more dickbags.
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Just adds to the frustration and irritation with FTWD. So much missed opportunity with that show.
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Don't get me started!

They got a little better with FTWD with the 3rd season, still a bunch of Mexico crap, but not as much.

Having your 'crew' hole up somewhere is the worst thing they can possibly do story-wise. Them trekking around on an adventure is where the good stuff is at.
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And the award for "longest shoot-out ever" goes too...
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What did Rick do with Gracie?

What was the "stuff" on the one zombie?
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Good questions. I'm more interested in the second one, though.
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What was the "stuff" on the one zombie?
1) The episode ended With Rick still in the building, and the baby was still there too. Rick is a lot of things, but do you think he's really a baby killer?

2) What 'Stuff'?
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No, I don't think he'd kill a baby, but it didn't actually show anything of what he might have done.

About the zom with the wried stuff on it....I don't know exactly, someone on another board said there was one.
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And what is with Ricks group taking photos? I saw another guy doing it in the last episode after they captured some Saviors at the satelite dish building.

Are they doing it to cheese them off? I thought maybe they were doing it to keep a record of who was among the Saviors, but that doesn't explain Rick taking one of Negan when they were in the middle of a fire fight.
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