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Unread 01-03-2016, 08:14 PM   #1
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Militia, Along With Family of Cliven Bundy, Take Over Federal Land at National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon - ABC News

Let's have some F-15's do a sonic boom flyby of these jerks.
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Unread 01-04-2016, 01:49 PM   #2
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Let's not, how about reading the whole story...
Full Story About What’s Going on In Oregon – “Militia” Take Over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge In Protest to Hammond Family Persecution… | The Last Refuge
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Yup, don't drink the Kool-Aid on this one, folks.
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Unread 01-04-2016, 02:30 PM   #4
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"The fire went onto public land and burned 127 acres of grass. The Hammonds put the fire out themselves. There was no communication about the burn from the federal government to the Hammonds at that time. Prescribed fires are a common method that Native Americans and ranchers have used in the area to increase the health & productivity of the land for many centuries."

Don't care about the health of their ecosystem, it's a federal crime to burn public land, minimum 5 years in prison. Sentence being appealed to the minimum sentencing is not double jeopardy. Luckily the group of campers in that area left that day because they could have gotten trapped in it.

They're not terrorists though.
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They're not terrorists though.
I'm sorry armed people occupying a place and threatening violence if they are removed forcibly, setting up roadblocks, putting armed guards in watch towers sounds like terrorism to me.

The "full" back story is mute when the Hammonds do not want to be associated with these nut jobs.

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I call it illegal colonization or occupation. It's been disruptive but no one's been hurt, no property has been damaged, and no one's been taken hostage.

Burning black churches or mosques. Shooting up schools, theaters, etc. are acts of terror. This isn't. Still illegal, but to equate it to the largest acts of violence against this country and many others does a disservice and further divides everyone from resolution.
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I call it illegal colonization or occupation. It's been disruptive but no one's been hurt, no property has been damaged, and no one's been taken hostage.

Burning black churches or mosques. Shooting up schools, theaters, etc. are acts of terror. This isn't. Still illegal, but to equate it to the largest acts of violence against this country and many others does a disservice and further divides everyone from resolution.
Holy shit. I agree with Giga!

I don't think it's right to equate these people with other actual acts of terror. Basically this is more shitty protesting. If they took the building by force, kidnapped hostages.. etc.. then OK.
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Yeah, these yahoos are in the category of Ferguson, Baltimore or Occupy, only with more guns and less destruction (thus far at least). They got a gripe and are handling it in a less than optimal manner. I'm sure there is even more to the story out there. I imagine this has alternated building up and festering for some time now prior to the latest business...
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... only with more (legal) guns and less destruction...
VERY important distinction...to me at least. Also, i fixed the gun bit.
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Terrorists dealt with

1 dead after shots fired during arrest of leader of armed Oregon group | WGN-TV
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