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It’s pretty amazing how conservative my daughter is considering how she was raised the past 6yrs. Apparently she listens to dad and has the ability to look at things logically. Of course this hurts her socially, but I just tell her to not preach, be the silent majority and do not feel bad about about herself if she believes something different from friends and teachers.
 

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I don't think anything is locked in, people change as they get older.. I mean in the 60s and 70s free love and all that was huge, then those people grew up, some remained hippies but most went into normal life and became conservatives.

And the awesome 'conservative' Reagan 80s produced the super liberal millenials.. so who knows. Its something to keep an eye on, but I don't think it's always easy to predict.
 

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The problem is the shifting demos. Non-white (overwhelmingly dem voters even if there are a few dissenters) groups are on their way up in a big way. They reproduce like rabbits + immigration. Whites (overwhelmingly repub voters), on the other hand, are on their way down as NSA linked the other day. We refuse to replace ourselves either through reproduction or immigration. And the baby boomer die off will exacerbate white dwindling. Immigration could be cut to zero (not going to happen) and by 2030-2040ish, minorities (again, dem voters) will be the majority. At less than 50% of the pop, whites could 100% collectively vote conservative and we'd still lose. But whites don't collectively all vote right. White and non-white dissension most likely would wash each other out.

There are three ways out of our permanent dem future.
- change immigration to exclusively white people
- kick out a LOT of non-whites
- execute a LOT of non-whites

Obviously none of those things will ever happen. Like it or not, we're screwed. Whites - currently the majority - are already the only group that open racism against is acceptable. When we're the minority, do you think we'll be treated kindly?

I need my Debbie Downer avatar back. 😁
 

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I dunno, I don't think race is going to be the end-all be-all forever.

A couple things..

It's very easy to co-opt people into being "white". Light skinned Hispanics often can pass for white, and a number of Asians can pass for, or are close enough to be considered white. Also a fair number of future kids will be mixed, so part white, so it's easy to group those into the mix as well. I mean there was a time when Italians and Irish weren't white people lol

Also.. it's a 2016 exit poll, so probably crap, but the idea stands: https://www.statista.com/statistics/631244/voter-turnout-of-the-exit-polls-of-the-2016-elections-by-income/

People making over $50K turn conservative. Poor people vote liberal. Right now a lot of minorities are poor. Are they voting liberal because they're poor or because they're minorities? Probably a bit of both, but I do expect them to change their thinking once they stop being poor. If they already have nice things, why would they look to the false liberal promises of giving them things? It gets into the "fuck you, got mine" mentality where people are happy to keep what they got and don't fight for others anymore.

I fully expect there to be a time gap and adjustment period.. but I can see the balance staying more or less the same in the long run, since people's pocketbooks is really the best way to influence them.
 

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I think NSA is right though. As much mixing as happens in this country, it's hard to tell what anyone is, and it gets more true everyday. Hell Roseanne no longer has a job because she made a twitter joke at a politico she didn't know was black. To the gulag with you! :whatever:

My wife is US-born hispanic (from legally immigrated mexican parents), and obviously my kids are half and half. In the winter, they both look like regular white kids that happen to just really like tacos. In the summer sun, my son turns toasty brown while my daughter burns like a gringo. From May-August, you'd never know they were related. My son only looks really hispanic when he stands next to his little pale, blonde cousin.

That being said, I have no clue how to classify them, and they don't seem to have any interest in classifying themselves. They're just kids. When we fill out school forms, I don't even think we're consistent. If it helps the kid to be white, he'll be white. If it's advantageous to be hispanic, then she'll be hispanic. F@$# if I care. It's paperwork. I can have my own little hispanic republicans. Scholarships galore. It'll be great. They'll always be in the majority and the minority. I've engineered affirmative-action-proof offspring! :laugh:

In 100 generations, everyone will be a strange mix of everything. Only in the deepest jungles of africa or totalitarian states that actively think everyone else is inferior (like china) will there be pockets of unmixed folks. The whole concept of race at this point is only used as a divisive measure to rile people up.
 

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Keep in mind, "Asians" includes middle easterners. I wish we could drop the PC crap and go back to calling east Asians, Orientals. :whatever:

Also, make note of his hypothetical 2050 white numbers. If 100% of whites voted R, we'd still lose.

 

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Rugs... People... whatever... :troll:

I really don't think Middle Eastern (or Indian for that matter) when somebody says Asian. I think everybody west by northwest of India until you hit an ocean.
 

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I think the point is, "Asian" is too damn generic if it encompasses everything between Egypt and Hawaii. While India and half of the Middle East are technically in Asia, that's not what anyone thinks of when you say that someone is Asian. Most of Russia is in Asia, but we don't call them "Asian" either.

Most folks use the term to describe people from countries where the population largely has almond-shaped eyes, round faces, and very straight black hair. There should be a non-derogatory descriptive term for that feature-set that doesn't incorporate half of the rest of the planet's population.
 

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Wouldn't nationality describe that though? I was thinking of descriptors based on region.. but what if a black person is born in America? Why are they "African American"? How far back do you trace it? Because your features resemble people way far away you're named after them? I just don't know how much it makes sense in our world.

I'm not "European American" even though my ancestors clearly came from there. Why would it apply for anywhere else?

As for the pink.. I know some people who are damn white no matter the time in the sun. Like.. bleach white. Most black people are actually dark brown, but there are some who are like damn midnight.

I don't know the best way to do it, but just stating Country + color seems like it'd cover everything you need.

"The Brown guy from England", "That pale white fella from Mozambique", etc etc.
 

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But "mongoloid" has a very negative connotation, like "retarded" or "handicapped" or "colored".... all of which used to be perfectly acceptable terms until people started using them in a pejorative sense, and so they became non-PC and replaced by new terms. New terms that undoubtedly will be horrible bad words in the future when hateful people start using them in the same context.

Serious question, did "Oriental" ever have that kind of bad juju? I don't use it because I don't want to offend anyone, but I don't really know why it's bad... as I never got the sense that it had the negative connotations of all the other terms that used to be perfectly fine that we're not supposed to use anymore.
 

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Oriental is as bad as calling a black person a slave in some communities. Even my sister finds it extremely condescending and she’s never had another Asian friend in her life. Like I said, Oriental is a rug or a train and an Asian is a person. If you want specifics, call them Korean, Chinese or Japanese.
 

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Just don't call them the wrong one... :p
Call it insensitive or ignorant, but I find the idea of telling people from all those countries apart to be rather difficult, and quite frankly, we shouldn't be expected to. Imagine if I got offended because someone from China thought I was from Georgia instead of Tennessee? That would be fucking insane. They're small places, in geographic proximity, and have been mixing for millennia.

The idea that westerners who don't come into contact with significant numbers of members of any one country on a regular basis should be experts in distinguishing one from another is ludicrous. Imagine if the Czechs or Ukrainians got pissed because you couldn't tell them apart. Hispanics don't get pissed when you just call them hispanics because from a cursory glance, no one can automatically tell a mexican from a cuban from venezulan. The asians seem to be the only broad group with unrealistic expectations about how finely they should be identified. It's a weird ego thing.
 
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I think it's kinda the same.. you can call them hispanic and it's fine, you call them asian and it's fine. If you called a Mexican an El Salvadorian or whatever.. they get pretty mad.

It is interesting how there are small but distinct differences between the Chinese/Japanese/Koreans. I guess they managed to not interbreed too much.

I doubt you could tell visually between an Englishman/German/Danish/Frenchman.
 

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It's almost like they are racist within their own race. Offended by being confused with a different sub-racial group. I wouldn't give a rats pahtoot if someone thought that I was German, French, Brit, Swed whatever.

Serious question, did "Oriental" ever have that kind of bad juju? I don't use it because I don't want to offend anyone, but I don't really know why it's bad... as I never got the sense that it had the negative connotations of all the other terms that used to be perfectly fine that we're not supposed to use anymore.

It seems our overly PC/attack on free speech country has the issue, not the rest of the world...

Distinct within American culture, many American English speakers consider the term "Oriental" to be an antiquated, pejorative, and disparaging term. John Kuo Wei Tchen, director of the Asian/Pacific/American Studies Program and Institute at New York University, said the basic critique of the term developed in the U.S. in the 1970s. Tchen has said: "With the U.S.A. anti-war movement in the '60s and early '70s, many Asian Americans identified the term 'Oriental' with a Western process of racializing Asians as forever opposite 'others'."[10] In a 2009 American press release related to legislation aimed at removing the term "oriental" from official documents of the State of New York, Governor David Paterson said: "The word 'oriental' does not describe ethnic origin, background or even race; in fact, it has deep and demeaning historical roots".[11]

In 2016, President Barack Obama signed legislation striking the word from federal law.

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British and Irish English[edit]
In British English, the term Oriental is sometimes used to refer to people from East and Southeast Asia (such as those from China, Japan, Korea, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Mongolia and Laos). "Asian" in Great Britain and Ireland generally refers to people from South Asia (in particular Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan and Maldives) since British Asians make up approximately 6.9% of the population within the United Kingdom.[7] "Orientals" refers exclusively to people of East and Southeast Asian origin, who comprise 0.7% of the UK population as a whole, and 5.3% of the non-European population. Of these, the majority are of Chinese descent.[8] Orient is also a word for the lustre of a fine pearl.[9] Hong Kong, a former British colony, has been called "Pearl of the Orient".

Australian English[edit]
In Australian English, the term "Asian" generally refers to people of East Asian or Southeast Asian descent, such as those of Chinese, Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese, Thai, or Filipino descent. Persons of Pakistani, Sri Lankan, and most other South Asian descent are referred to by their respective demonym, but without explicit knowledge, those people are indeterminately inferred as "Indian".

German[edit]
In German, Orient is usually used synonymously with the area between the Near East and India, including Israel, the Arab world, and Greater Persia.

The term Asiaten (English: Asians) means the people of East Asia and Southeast Asia. Another word for Orient in German is Morgenland (now mainly poetic), which literally translates as "morning land". The antonym "Abendland" (rarely: "Okzident") is also mainly poetic, and refers to (Western) Europe.
 

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It would be fine if we were simply allowed to call asians, "asian". But when the pc-police force us to include countries that happen to exist in Asia that don't fit the accepted description, then it just gets messy. I demand a new name that only encompasses south-east asia - including japan, taiwan, and the philippeans, plus the whole of china. Screw the rest. India can get their own regional name if they don't want to be lumped with the middle-east. ;)

Interesting, Eddie. I didn't think it was always so bad. I wonder who first declared that Oriental was indeed offensive? I'll bet dollars to doughnuts is was somebody from Berkeley.
 
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It's almost like they are racist within their own race. Offended by being confused with a different sub-racial group. I wouldn't give a rats pahtoot if someone thought that I was German, French, Brit, Swed whatever.


It has to do with the fact that the Japanese were committing brutal atrocities against the Chinese and Koreans during WWII including shipping off the young pretty Korean women around the Pacific to be sex slaves for the troops. You can mix up a Korean and a Chinese person without great offense, but if you call either Japanese they’ll cut you. Like calling a holocaust survivor a Nazi. Luckily this is easy to avoid since Chinese and Koreans have a round face and more of the yellow tinge to their skin compared to the porcelain Japanese traits we all know from cosplayers and porn. Vietnese and Philipinoes have more jagged facial features and are typically darker. If you lined them all up, you’d immediately see the differences as clearly as lining up an Irish, German, Italian and Spaniard.
 

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Ok oriental was once the proper term but fell out of favor, just like Asian will one day be out of favor for some other term. Each generation has their own terms

Similar to N word negros blacks African American next will be something else. As the old terms go out of favor they become negative Heck a lot of medical books still use the term Negro because that was the accepted term when written.

As far as racism among Asains a lot of it has to do with who attacked who in which ever war they were in. China at some point invaded everyone. So they aren't as popular as you'd think:censored: There is a history there that is lost to those not familiar with it.
 

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We signed up for absentee voting indefinitely. Thanks to the lady at city hall for letting us know it was an option. I love it because we get a cheat sheet of who to educate ourselves on for our particular city.

Had a candidate running for governor stop by today with some yard signs. My dad and bro just happened to be here at the same time. Had a rally in my front yard. 😄
 

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According to that map, I'm in a 77% red precinct, in a county that went 73% Trump, in a state that went 61% for El Cheeto.

But to be fair, as a state we voted for W in 2000 even though Gore was a TN senator before being Clinton's footstool. We wouldn't even back a Democrat from our own state... which had to hurt. People focus on FL and the hanging chads in that election, but if Gore had won his own damn state, Florida wouldn't even have mattered.