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That's where it's headed. In their minds, equality of outcome is key, regardless of how you get there. "It's not fair..." is the mating cry of the habitually lazy, stupid, and "me"-centric nonsense that seems to be dominating the social discourse.

They all want to be a victim, the blame for their failure is clearly someone else's fault (usually straight white dudes). In reality they want to diminish everything you've ever accomplished, every bit of hard work, every opportunity you've taken advantage of, and every risk you've ever taken. It makes them feel better to think that you were born on third base and they weren't, so we should level the scales after the fact.

The problem is, with that mindset, you can't have a rational discussion with them. When you start to ply them with facts and common sense, they scream "privilege!" in the same manner that people try to win arguments by screaming "Nazi!". I genuinely don't know how we're going to penetrate the cone of stupidity.
 

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Yeah, we got a bunch of import donkeys from NY and New England who are pushing their lib/urban policies on the whole state now. Pair that with easily swayed (assumed naturalized) foreigners and there goes freedom and prosperity.
 

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I agree that TN doesn't have flashing neon that says, "Coastal Elites Welcome". Far from it, thank goodness. We don't really want the blue states to be hyper-aware of what a cool place we have. But we do have pockets of people that have migrated south from Michigan and Ohio, and some halfbacks that came from New York via Florida.

But as long as they have basic intentions of fitting in and embracing the laid-back southern culture, everything's cool. It's those few that constantly tell you in condescending fashion how they "used to do it in NY" that you want to punt into the sun.
 

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No, we don't get too many of those people, thank heavens. Usually the people that escape from up north are so glad to get away, they roll with us and assimilate just fine. It's weird, west tennessee is very blue, but it's poor in that Detroit sort of way. Middle and East TN are heavily red with no chance of ever flipping. But neither of those two scenarios are appealing to heavy lefties. They would vote the same way as Memphis, but that's where their similarities would end. So we're somewhat immune to the mass influx from blue states problem.

Dollywood and the Great Smokey Mtns National park get a TON of tourism, probably more than Nashville. The smokies are actually the most visited national park in the nation - take THAT Jellystone!
 

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Written by.. YONI APPELBAUM a dirty JEW????

While anti-Trump, it does make good points.

The world most of us hoped Trump would lead to isn't going to happen, I would say there was a short time when maybe it could have, but the conviction wasn't there, and really.. it probably wouldn't have turned out good either.

I do feel that if you really believe in Democracy, then you do need to accept the outcomes. Certainly fight to keep things fair, but I think both sides are guilty in trying to fix things from time to time. If the "Conservative way" is really the best way, you (general you, not you you) should be able to make that case to people and win them over, regardless on how many handouts or other things are happening on the other side.

I feel that with Trump, and others, people are just retreating into their shell, hoping for a "White 50's time" to show up again, and it's just not going to happen (outside of some huge genocidal campaign, and/or white people suddenly popping out 10-15 babies per couple).

Really, I think the right/GOP/etc needs to come up with a message/solution that helps everyone, and really reinforces why conservative policies are best for America as whole.
 

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Good article. I agree that the GOP needs to appeal to more groups rather than just an ethnocentric platform. However, I disagree with the notion that the GOP chose that path or that the Great Pumpkin put us on it. I've never heard him say anything racist. The left and media love to say that he's a raging racist and that he hates non-whites, but he's never said that. He talks about securing borders against allowing the worst immigrants in (not all immigrants), and he talks about shithole countries (because they are, not because the people are bad or the wrong color), and of limiting potential terrorists from entering through porous channels.

He's never said we shouldn't have immigration (or what color it should be), just that we need to control/vet who comes in, make sure they're on our team and going to benefit society more than take from it. It's not a crazy notion, however Republicans are completely inept at framing it in a way that doesn't sound like Mr Burns.

Conversely, the opposition has done a great job of painting the GOP as the party of white racist types, when in reality, it's mostly made up of hard-working middle-class folks who are simply not onboard with the PC/woke nonsense and all the "free everything" giveaway programs at our expense and letting our country get overrun by hand-out freeloaders (no one actually cares what color they are). These are concepts that should appeal to a vast majority of americans, but the messenger is such a tweeting moron, and the media twists every word, those concepts don't come across. He makes the left's job pretty easy.

So while the GOP absolutely does need to get the message out that there is room for others in the party and that we're actually the party of sanity and prosperity, I think it requires a radical marketing pivot, not of actual policy change. They need to frame the goal of republicans as protectors of opportunity and the great american dream, not those who guarantee a socialist race to the bottom and free stuff.

It's not white vs brown. It's not rich vs poor. It's workers vs freeloaders. That should be the message. That will make it clear the GOP includes every hard working immigrant, minority, or group that wants to not be Venezuela. Make the left defend it's insane policies rather than simply convincing everyone that they're a victim.
 

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There is definitely some misleading going on, but what is not deniable is that the actual white racist types love Trump & what Trump (usually) says. Now, not everyone who likes what he says is a racist, and Trump shouldn't be lumped in as a racist because racists like him.. but it does beg the question why white racists do like him so much.

He's a troll. He knows what to say and how to say it without saying it. As much as I hate the left's use of the word "dogwhistle" it IS a thing, and Trump is great at throwing in little words here and there that ARE NORMAL but if you're predisposed to being a racist, you're going to get extra mileage out of them. I'm not convinced he cares about anything really (other than himself) but he knows how to stoke up controversy and get people riled up.

So either way, when racists are openly supporting you (while also being open racists) it really taints the whole pool.

I'd say it's similar to those people with their OBAMA PHONES back in the day, they made him & his policies look stupid because you have these society leaches (DOGWHISTLE OF COURSE MEANING BLACK PEOPLE ARE TRASH) voting for Obama only for handouts/etc.

So I don't know, there isn't really a great way unless he spends all his time actively rebuking them and their support.. which.. I mean that's not a strong policy that will get you anywhere. BUT by not doing that, he's allowing them to make the narrative about how he's TALKING TO RACISTS. And of course talking, being in the same room with, or accidentally seeing a racist once.. makes you a racist.

There are lots of things going on, but actual full on racist white ethnostate people absolutely do exist, and I'd say they almost exclusively live on the right now. The right needs to do a better job weeding them out.

The article made good points, and I do think the right & left are veering away from each other rapidly. A lot of 'normal' people I think are still in the middle somewhere, but when all you're exposed to is media claiming everyone is a fanatic.. you'll start to budge one way or another after enough time.
 

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There are lots of things going on, but actual full on racist white ethnostate people absolutely do exist, and I'd say they almost exclusively live on the right now. The right needs to do a better job weeding them out.
Sure, but they're 0.001% of the population. The news would have you believe that it's 87% of republicans.

I live in the rural south and I've never met anyone that willingly admits to holding those beliefs. I'm confident there are way more muslims in this country that want to see the entire place burn to the ground than actual white ethnostate racists. Yet Dems actively embrace those people because minority. The two sides are not held to the same standards, largely because the people crafting the national narrative are decidedly in one camp.
 
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I need to read up on Tulsi Gabbard because I like what I hear. If she gets the boot and runs as a Libertarian, then Trump will likely lose badly. Tulsi certainly pisses all the right people off like Trump did except she does it without all the nonsense.

 
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