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The underlying question to any of these folks is inherently why their version of socialism isn't going to flame out spectacularly like all of the rest of them. They always think "their" socialism is the version that will work, that it's the most pure, most righteous, most virtuous. And it does work until they run out of other people's money to give away.

The inherently problem is that they WILL run out of other people's money. Industries will leave. Companies will incorporate elsewhere. Wealthy individuals will change citizenship, hold offshore accounts, and stash their funds where the socialists can't get it. They fail to understand that the people who have amassed large sums of money and successful businesses are naturally smarter than politicians and activists. Those people are more motivated, more clever, and have the resources to protect their assets.

And so the socialist dream quickly devolves, but not until the middle class is destroyed, the means of production has been seized and rendered ineffective, there is no one left to tax, and citizens are effectively prisoners, serfs, or whatever bottom-feeder class you want to call it. You can't undo it overnight. Just ask Cuba, Venezuela, or even the Russians (if you can liquor them up enough to actually get an honest answer).
 

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Looks like the less socialist/communist segment of the donkey party is trying to consolidate to Biden and hope for a contested convention as the means of cheating crazy Bernie out of the nomination this go ‘round. Steyer (who?) and Bootyjudge are Oh You Tee. If the Bernie bros are even capable of dragging themselves out from their mamas‘ basements, they gonna burn dat convention down.
 

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I'm not sure what that means in the big picture or who the GOP would really rather see in a general election. But I look forward to Pete's votes and delegates going to non-Sanders candidates in order to practically guarantee a brokered convention. The bloodbath that will ensue and the ramifications of one side feeling gypped should help keep the liberals at bay, no matter who the nominee is.

Part of me fears that sanders would be the toughest to beat in a general because "free" sells, but he'd be a disaster down the ballot and would just hand the GOP both houses. On the other hand, Bloomberg or Biden would be simple to beat in the general, but they'd hang onto more seats in congress. For all his money, Bloomberg can't buy a personality, and Biden should be in a nursing home for dementia patients.

It's comical that this is the best the DNC can prop up. They were so sure they were going to impeach Trump in the first term, they were blind to the fact that they might need a non-cardboard-cutout candidate in '20. Their TDS didn't allow them to see that the economy was all anyone cares about, and even with the Commie Cough stock market correction, that's a battle they can't win.
 

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I do think Sanders is their best chance in the general.. he's the Left Trump, the wild and crazy troublemaker, and I think that'd get a lot of energy going on their side.

No one is excited about Biden or Bloomberg, so either of those would be preferred. I think Bloomberg is an instant loss, Biden would at least be competitive. If he runs the general campaign.. normal.. I think he could beat Trump if things break right.

Warren I don't think is going anywhere fast, or anyone else.

The best thing is that the far lefties HATE Biden and Bloomberg, almost more than they hate Trump, so the wild gnashing of teeth would be a beauty to watch.
 

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I'd prefer Sanders simply for the pure contrast of philosophy. Pure socialism vs. pure capitalism. This assumes Bernie doesn't croak from another heart attack before getting to the finish line. But I don't think Uncle Joe has enough pull with the Clintons to make that happen... Will moderates come out to vote for him? I don't know. I guess that would answer the question of whether dems have any actual limitations on their hate for the orange man.

Biden will likely not get the left fringe at all, particularly if they believe the donkeys shafted ol' Bernie again to get Joe to the nomination. I don't see the senile king of gaffs getting past one or two debates with the Donald before he completely loses any shred of credibility as a thinking, functioning politician. Oh, and Burisma should be a significant weight on his neck against anyone who legitimately prefers their POTUS not be corrupt. Again, the character of the entire donkey party will be tested.

Bloomberg has insane amounts of money to spend, and absolutely nothing else to bring to the table. He was dem who switched to repub to become mayor, benefited from the previous administration's hard work (Guliani - and of course pretends he did all the things Rudy did) and still managed to make people hate him for banning soda cups and for just generally being a detached, super rich douchebag. He became so unpopular that he had to switch parties again to independent and then back to dem - :wtf: to make his run at becoming POTUS. I think he believes his money and name recognition entitles him to office without any significant work, any sort of charisma or even a lick of character. If he ever hits the stage in a debate against Trump, he will get torched hard, and can only hope to gain sympathy from the overly empathetic that might take his side against the big orange bully.

Warren is likely just receiving Bloomberg or DNC money now to try to siphon any support she can from Bernie. She'll probably just keep trying to get him labeled as an old, out of touch sexist until they finally stop propping her up.

Right now the Trump team must be looking at the remaining potential contenders as a buffet with your choice of steak, sushi, pizza or ice cream. Which one sounds more delicious?
 
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Yeah, I still think they would be corrupt and just continue the traditional washington grift, cronyism, and shenanigans, but they wouldn't fundamentally alter our country... except if they convince Uncle Joe to open the borders. I fear that he's senile, impressionable, and that he'll say any crazy thing they tell him to get elected.

Opening the borders would be a pandora's box that we couldn't close in our lifetime. I think Bloomberg wouldn't be that stupid. He's a capitalist first, a democrat second. If you told me Trump had to lose, Bloomy would be the least awful of the viable Dem crop. We wouldn't lose anything but our Big Gulps.
 

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You guys forgot that Bloomberg has made it his lifetime goal to eliminate all Second Amendment rights. You know, the part that prevents outright tyranny and protects all the others. He cannot be allowed to win. Luckily, it seems a lot of people are with me on that and are either a.) showing up to vote against him or b.) not going out to vote for him.

BTW, this is how forgettable she is: I forgot she existed, after just seeing a bit of her town hall meeting on my parents' TV just a few days ago while grabbing dinner with them.

Klobuchar ends Democratic presidential bid, set to endorse Biden
 

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Watched a few minutes of the Bloooooooomberg town hall this evening. Dude has no game at all. You can tell he hasn’t done normal things for himself in decades. He should have tried this run about 20 years ago. He also looks tiny next to the tall chairs they had on stage, lol. Not the friendliest crowd either, with at least one Guns Save Lives t-shirt making it onto live TV courtesy of our friends at VCDL. :thumbsup:
 

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So, I voted today. It was pretty pointless, since Trump was unopposed and I had only heard of one of the dozens of people to pick from to be state delegates. But at least I can say I participated.

Maybe it'll help convince/remind the GOP that they need not worry about TN and focus more resources on the swing states. This whole game is about momentum, so I can at least feel like I did my part in that regard.

It's wild, I started this thread fours years ago on super tuesday... seems like a lifetime ago!
 

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Wow that is crazy.. Four years does seem like forever ago now. What a wild ride that election cycle was.. Imagine this might be even crazier.
The left gets to choose between a doddering old Bolshevik and a dementia patient. Let's not pretend that Bloomberg or Lieawatha are even contenders. Get your popcorn ready, because when it gets time to debate you're gonna think Trump changed his name to Blitzkrieg.
Shit's gonna be cash.
 

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I completely agree, but I don't think Joe supporters actually care. They know Joe. He's their link to Obama. They'll just think Trump's being mean. Joe will stumble, stammer, tell a racist joke, forget where he is, take credit for writing the Magna Carta, and they'll still vote for him. I think Trump will still beat him, but it won't be as easy as beating the communist. Unions that wouldn't vote for Bernie will enthusiastically support Biden. Without question, Joe belongs in a nursing home and is mentally unfit to be commander-in-chief, but things did not get easier for the GOP last night.

But without question, the best news of the night was Fauxcahontas coming in third in her own state. Not winning it is bad enough, but she couldn't even muster a runner-up. I'll be stunned if she finishes today without dropping out. The money is going to dry up, hard stop. The ONLY way she continues is if the DNC props her up for another week just to siphon off votes from Bernie.
 

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I don't suspect it was ever gonna be easy for Trump, as there are a lot of things arrayed against him. I'm more interested in Biden's and Sanders' running mates, as I'd almost bet even money that they would be the one sitting in the Oval Office when the '24 election cycle starts.
 
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I don't suspect it was ever gonna be easy for Trump, as there are a lot of things arrayed against him. I'm more interested in Biden's and Sanders' running mates, as I'd almost bet even money that they would be the one sitting in the Oval Office when the '24 election cycle starts.
Especially if their last name starts with C...
 

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Our TV, local and national, has been covered in them. He supposedly spent 500 mil before the debate where he shit the bed. And I wouldn't doubt if he spent that much more in the interim couple of weeks. 1B sounds about right. Either way, it was a crap-ton of money with jack squat to show for it.

Just proves, you can't buy a personality or charisma, and you can't get elected on a platform of "At least I'm not those guys."
 

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Lol, that's what we're down to for the party of diversity: Old rich white communist guy vs. old rich white not sure what or where he is guy. One of them will take on the old rich nationalist white guy.