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Nah, if you aren't buying or competing, you should be good... :p

It's generally more of an urban vs. rural than state vs. state, unless you live in a state that makes you unsafe in general due to lousy gun laws.
 

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Every big urban place has their MLK Blvd and the trappings that go with it. Not much you can do about that. However, did any of the other states that were canvased by the multi-state drug ring capture this person? F#$% no, no they did not! It was the Volunteer state that said, "Waitaminute..." ;)
 

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Yeah I mean I live in CA and they have some of the safest cities per capita.. but it probably also has some of the lousiest.

Just funny that I see all these bad stories about TN now. I don't even look for them, they find me!
 

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Honestly, a better explanation than my earlier is (at least for now) - urban vs. suburban vs. rural. While there have been threats, the riots have been limited to the downtown urban areas, almost exclusively ones controlled by flaming leftists. The suburbs have been mostly spared (save for the areas around the homes of some prominent city "leaders" who apparently didn't bow/kneel/butt kiss far enough). And, at least around here, the suburban county police weren't having it when there were attempts to bring those downtown protests come out to the suburban shopping districts.

As for the rural areas, I think the prominence of an armed citizenry and the likelihood that the local sheriffs would a.) show up and enforce the law and b.) the local authorities not charge anyone for protecting their home and property kept the leftist rioters away. Or maybe it was c.) the property owner may not call the sheriffs but rather handle things on their own - including disposal ;). On any given day there is enough ambient gunfire around that a citizen protecting property from unwanted intrusion by man or beast wouldn't even sound that out of the ordinary. Just sayin'.
 

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Here's a modern equivalent that the popo can use to clear out "occupied" zones without tearing up the streets like the full sized armored bulldozers of the army would.

 

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I had to go back and check the story, but it was, as I remembered, quite an interesting one. That's why you never cross a guy that's capable of constructing something like that and just crazy enough to do it...
 

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Here's a modern equivalent that the popo can use to clear out "occupied" zones without tearing up the streets like the full sized armored bulldozers of the army would.

This may be my Californication speaking.. but I do think the "militarization" of the police is a real thing and should be discouraged. I think having that is fine, it seems to have a lot of uses. But why are you painting it Green? If anything, it should be HI VIS. You're the police, everyone should know you're there. The SWAT teams in camo/etc seems.. I dunno. Especially when it's a smaller town who got free hardware from Uncle Sam.. seems like more a "Cause we could, not cause we should" type of thing.
 

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I'm with you 100%. The police should absolutely not look like army. SWAT in multicam looks silly, unless you happen to be a rural sheriff's department I suppose. Basic SWAT black, LAPD navy or OD green for more rural departments makes a lot more sense and blends in as well as a SWAT team member ever should.

As for the equipment, they should absolutely stick to uparmored vans or suburbans (assuming bullet resistant is necessary for the situation). MRAPs (while I suppose are well priced on overstock sale from the army) have no place in a US city unless the rioters start constructing IEDs that can take out the previously mentioned uparmored civilian vehicles.

I guess the only question then becomes, what would you use in a riot type situation? You see cruisers trashed and burnt up all the time when that happens. It's a lot harder to destroy an MRAP. The public has certainly earned their militarization in certain places...
 

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I'm with you 100%. The police should absolutely not look like army. SWAT in multicam looks silly, unless you happen to be a rural sheriff's department I suppose. Basic SWAT black, LAPD navy or OD green for more rural departments makes a lot more sense and blends in as well as a SWAT team member ever should.

As for the equipment, they should absolutely stick to uparmored vans or suburbans (assuming bullet resistant is necessary for the situation). MRAPs (while I suppose are well priced on overstock sale from the army) have no place in a US city unless the rioters start constructing IEDs that can take out the previously mentioned uparmored civilian vehicles.

I guess the only question then becomes, what would you use in a riot type situation? You see cruisers trashed and burnt up all the time when that happens. It's a lot harder to destroy an MRAP. The public has certainly earned their militarization in certain places...
True.

It is odd because most times I see the Cops all decked out with MRAPs and combat gear, it's not in some rioting inner city (until recently, of course), but some small toy police force. Like.. what does a town of 5,000 people need with a Sheriff in a MRAP. LOL. It's COOL, don't get me wrong.. but it does tend to send the wrong message at times. Ultimately it all goes back to a lot of places not having community policing.

Right-leaning folks of ALL people should be suspicious of their local/state/federal government placing armored vehicles and other weapons of war all over our interior under the guise of "policing".

For actual riots.. I mean.. how would a MRAP help if your hands are tied anyway? If you're not going to be shooting people, you either just let them do their thing while keeping an eye that things don't go horribly wrong, or you just ignore it and hope for the best.

I think larger cities having the Bearcat or whatever, maybe even 1 MRAP or whatever on-hand for some crazy situation isn't the worst thing in the world. Active shooters.. terrorists.. etc. But leave it in the garage, don't pull it out every time you can like some dick measuring contest.

In a way it reminds me of this:


Criminals are gonna criminal.. and they'll escalate as needed. Some might go "woah, okay nevermind they have a tank now" but most will just find a way around it, or buy RPG-7s. I do think there needs to be more work on preventing the criminals from getting to where they are, as well as dealing with them while they're already there.
 

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I certainly get your point about being leery of a small LE ”armoring up” because the military is selling their surplus cheap or giving it away. I also agree that, if they do get some big toys for free, they should generally just be occasionally trained with and parked the rest of the time. But, it’s like any tool of great power, when you need it, you really do need it. It alone, with the right amount of nasty, non-lethal but certainly uncomfortable deterrence systems, could break up a significant riot type situation, all the while preventing any potential harm from coming to the officers.

As for the speech at the end of Batman, I do remember it, and I do remember being annoyed at how preachy it was, all but fully blaming escalation on the “good guys.” By that measure, the only way to ensure safety would be for officer friendly to still be walking the beat with his .38 revolver in south Chicago. We all know that doesn’t end well for officer friendly.

I can assure you that escalation happens because one side sees an opportunity to out gun another, whether it be LE vs. criminal or criminal vs. criminal. I live by the premise that peace through superior firepower is what keeps the peace, both in the world and in the neighborhood. It is always best that those with the most self control, restraint and genuine human decency be the ones possessing the most deterrent for those who do not. It is then, by nature, that those possessing that firepower must live up to that responsibility. I like Stan Lee’s version better ;).

That said, if Mexico were to ask for a little help from its northern ally the way Colombia did a while back, that convoy could easily be shredded by some of that superior firepower, if ever it were to venture out into the open and we had, say Apaches on station. The whole Mexican drug cartels situation is case and point of what happens when criminals out gun LE.
 
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Prelude to possible war/conflict?


You don't normally purge documents at embassies or related sites unless a) your embassy is being stormed or b) you purge all sensitive documents prior to open conflict.

The Japanese did similar tactics just prior to Pearl Harbor. Which has me wondering. Is this a warning sign? China has been ramping up the collection of U.S. state secrets and other espionage activities in recent years. We've also had dozens of close calls with them in the Pacific Ocean in recent years.

The U.S. is at it's most vulnerable in decades. We are in the midst of a complete pandemic (which ironically originated from China) and our country is at the most decisive state it has been since the civil war.

I couldn't think of a better time to strike.
 
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In fairness, from a military readiness standpoint, we are significantly better off than during the gutting of the Obama years. As for unity, it has been on a long downward spiral since about 6 months after 9/11, was certainly fomented by the aforementioned, and by his ilk in the "resistance" now. There is something to be said for the internal strife driven by these homegrown leftists that probably assume they would gain support from other socialist/communist entities throughout the world, and probably do receive some funding in the near term. In reality, they are just a diversion, and if some outside force were to gain a foothold here, the "useful idiots" would be lined up and mowed down immediately, just like all the other dissenter types out there.
 
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Much of the division in this country is the result of a lack of bigger problems. Yes we have a virus, but most people either didn't get it or didn't die from it, and thus they're sitting at home in the summer heat twiddling their thumbs on twitter, getting each other frothed up about statues of Columbus? (wtf).

If a clear and present danger presented itself that threatened us all, I think even radical lefties would suddenly become good americans and get in line, united against the common foe. Nothing would disappear faster than faux outrage over mean cops, made up pronouns, or the raysis nature of Mt Rushmore. Those are things that only exist in the vacuum of having no larger problems to worry about.
 
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I agree that the vast majority of Americans would (like with 9/11). However, I think the very small percentage of true believers in their religion of America/Orange Man Bad!!1! truly believe that another form of rule is needed, one that is "fair" - with them deciding what that means, of course. I believe some of them (some who have "grown up" to be mayors, governors and congresspeople) would actually initially welcome the decline of the USA to the point where an outside power takes over or a whole new hierarchy is established. They truly believe that they will earn some high position of power in this new order, which, of course, is laughable.
 

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There may be a few fringe folks that think that way, but they're largely the ones who would benefit from class warfare, and their number is pretty small in reality. But the rank and file people protesting in the street (not the antifa looters that show up at night) would find a much bigger foe to focus their indignant outrage against. We would all be on the same team again, at least temporarily.

Good lord, I hope the silent majority is as large as I think it is. If the Dems take the white house and senate and do away with the filibuster, it will truly be one party forever. No more minority voice, no more compromise, just run every law through without thought, just a simple majority. Then we'll see them come for the guns, pack the supreme court, make DC (and even PR) a state to ensure control of the senate forever. It could be dark times.

Maybe I've been watching too much cable news and I'm just over-reacting, but I never thought I'd ever see "defunding police" be a mainstream party platform, looting encouraged by mayors and media, or people being charged with felonies for defending their homes when the police refuse to show up. The government's #1 job is safety so that we can go about the process of pursuing life, liberty, and happiness. If they aren't going to do that, it's gonna be the wild west.

I don't so much worry about myself, as I can handle occasional river pirates (I'm your huckleberry...), but it pains me to send my kids out into the lawless void.
 

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What did they do lately? TVA as an entity has done a lot of good for many southern states regarding river/flood management and power generation, and they've pumped a ton of federal money into this area specifically. The coal electricity plant in our town was the world's largest for a time in the 50's. And they have cleaned their emmissions in recent decades, built nuclear facilities, and kept the river in check, even during times that 100 years ago would have resulted in widespread flooding.

Thus I will never have anything bad to say about TVA as a concept, but like any other quasi-government agency, there's always a possibility of bad actors. But I have no clue what Trump is riled up about.
 
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Which is weird, as I can't think of any jobs TVA does that would even be candidates for outsourcing. They don't have consumer customers, as they're effectively an energy wholesaler. And they manage power plants and river levels. What job could they possibly farm out to Bangalore? I dunno.
 

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Holy Mary Mother of God


Looks like a freaking MOAB. From the initial smoke, it looks like there was a fire going already, unless that was from a previous smaller strike. Any word on the location of the explosion?
 

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I knew it was Beirut, was asking about the building or usage at ground zero - wondering about maybe a CNG storage facility or something like that. It was a very fast, singular, massive explosion from the video I saw on the Fox News website. That one was more zoomed in so you could see there were a lot of little flashes (looked like wires or transformers going off) in the area where the fire/smoke was billowing prior to the one huge blast. Almost looked like a gas/air explosion where the concentration built up from some kind of leak and suddenly ignited the air/gas mixture in a large area.

It was a very rapid expansion though, so maybe something military grade, at least to get the explosion started. It did not look like a fireworks or chain reaction type explosion from the video I saw.