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So when will all the Jew Haters start begging Israel to protect Palestinians from ISIS because they're not happy Hamas wants their own Islamic State?

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdyCAHjYU3w[/ame]

Who will the French Muslim insurgents throw rocks and set fire to when ISIS starts cutting Palestinian heads off?
 

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Yup, the translation states they are not happy with Palestinians wanting their own state and they should want to be part of the Islamic State. ISIS is killing as many or more Muslims as they are Christians.
 

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So "Jew haters" = Muslims. I've just been called "Jew hater" myself because I don't agree with Israel's policies that are creating Warsawlike ghettos.
 

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So "Jew haters" = Muslims. I've just been called "Jew hater" myself because I don't agree with Israel's policies that are creating Warsawlike ghettos.
Maybe if the non-Jew-hating Muslims would get their fucking supposed "vocal minority" (be they Palestinian or any other nationality/sect) under control perhaps Gaza and the West Bank wouldn't have to be ghettos. It seems to me there are too many of them that are all too willing to "insha'allah" away any responsibility to do anything about the situation.

I won't pretend that the Israelis are lily-white, but let's not fool ourselves as to which side would make die Endlösung look like a chat room slap fight if given the opportunity.
 

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Israel is going through the same thing. The colonization and shitting on previous treaties is being pushed by a minority that has a majority government power, because of how multi-party governments split up power. There are many on the ground, who disagree on policy, on both sides,and could be tolerant to the other side, but unfortunately, they depend on the radicals to look out for their interests. The radicals are willing to push for an end game and fight for interests outside of their region. That's both the Israelis and Hamas.
 

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Also, if they can smuggle rockets through the tunnels, they could just as easily smuggle food and medical supplies but pulling people out of starvation wouldn't push the Hamas agenda. From a tactical standpoint, Israel is creating an environment of Hamas dependence which will push for more Hamas aggression.
 

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Source? sounds kind of, conspiracy nuttish.
Not at all. The Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps- Quds Force (IRGC-QF) has been supporting Hamas/PLO/various other groups in the West Bank/Gaza strip for years now. It's not exactly a secret that Iran hates Israel and will support any group that seeks to cause them problems. The IRGC-QF is their primary means to do this, either through direct action or through proxies.
 

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Wait. It's plausible for Iran to be indirectly supporting Hamas and manipulating them into attacking Israel to weaken them but it's not plausible for the CIA to be indirectly supporting Ukraine rebels and manipulating them into attacking pro Russian government to weaken them?

Hmm, that is amazing how conspiracies can work on way but not the other.
 

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I, for one, would like to know where the fact comes from. I mean, it's supposed to be indirectly, which means, they don't admit it.

I just find it funny how everyone in the world KNOWS the CIA works to manipulate countries yet it's brushed off as foil hat wearing. But some ass clown in a sheet says they are supporting Hamas in toppling Israel, it's considered gospel.
 

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I, for one, would like to know where the fact comes from. I mean, it's supposed to be indirectly, which means, they don't admit it.

I just find it funny how everyone in the world KNOWS the CIA works to manipulate countries yet it's brushed off as foil hat wearing. But some ass clown in a sheet says they are supporting Hamas in toppling Israel, it's considered gospel.
Controversies surrounding Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's two seconds of googling. Read the summary on wiki, and then go to the links at the bottom, from such credible sources as Newsweek, Jane's Guide, The Guardian, and the Times.

As for the second comment- everyone does not KNOW the CIA does what you're speculating. Were they involved in some operations in the past? Certainly. But, unless you've got some secret clearance you're not telling us about, any claims of knowledge of current US Intelligence activity is speculation, at best.

I don't say this to be mean or confrontational, but to point out the difference in the arguments. The two scenarios are really apples and oranges to begin with.
 
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Wiki? You cited wiki as your source and yet im the conspiracy nutjob HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I said two seconds worth of googling. You obviously didn't read the caveat about "look at the sources of the article".

So with that- believe what you want. No skin off my back. Just don't complain when people call you the :tinfoil:

Also, noted that you didn't address ANY of my other comments, and just stuck with the ad-hominem. So, whatever.
 

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Except this time it is not Iran. Iran said the Shite/Sunni war is more important and Hamas is on the opposing side. Iran and Hezzbollah will focus on Israel once ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood have been routed. They are too busy supporting Iraq and Syria from a serious threat at this time.
 

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Except this time it is not Iran. Iran said the Shite/Sunni war is more important and Hamas is on the opposing side. Iran and Hezzbollah will focus on Israel once ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood have been routed. They are too busy supporting Iraq and Syria from a serious threat at this time.
It's one big muslim clusterfuck over there and that I believe we ALL can agree on.
 

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When I get to a computer, I'll respond to this. I've been on the road all week and I hate typing long messages on my phone.

I will say I was wrong in my "100%" assertion as it's a gross exaggeration.
 

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According to the official, the militant fighters have been using U.S.-made weapons seized from the Iraqi army, including M1 Abrams tanks.
U.S. conducts airstrikes on ISIS militants in Iraq - CNN.com

This pisses me off to no end. Do you guys think they are of the same type we sell to Egypt (sans Chobham armor) or are they our front line MBTs that we did not feel like shipping home? How must it feel for our pilots to take out an Abrams? You would think we would be protective of those out of production chassis. :explode:
 

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I am certain those Abrams are far from as capable as ours. No chance they have the most advanced (read: the stuff that makes them nearly unbeatable) goodies on them.
 

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Potentially. That may be what they gave to Egypt as well. Lord knows the DOD must have a billion 105mm rounds to sell off. 'Course now they have that "sexy" Stryker AGS now to use some of them... :trollface:
 

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These will be the M1A1s we sold them through FMS. Like Russia's export armor, these won't be top of the line. Still, not something you want these guys having.

We really should be equipping the Kurds deal with this shit.
 
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Why would we do that when we can put our aviators under the shadow of the aforementioned Stingers instead??? :trollface:

But the threat here is that we could inadvertently (this time) end up supplying a terrorist organization (PKK) if we just start airdropping weapons for them. And then there's the whole Turkey hates the Kurds issue. And of course, the Turks don't take kindly to us playing games with them (Benghazi, anyone?).