Our Soverign Emperor, Lord Donald John Trump, President of these United States

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I like this Axios site even if it is partnered with HBO. Really puts all the headlines in perspective with pure numbers like all the hoopla over impeachment. Looks like they have a long ass way to go (and they give us faces to remember):

https://www.axios.com/impeachment-house-democrats-whip-list-c730f5e6-201f-41db-b3e1-923c387b894c.html

Or job growth. Looks like it was basically identical under Obama:

https://www.axios.com/may-jobs-report-75k-us-economy-federal-reserve-9f75dd4c-763a-4592-9f07-f629107fd945.html
 

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Yeah, I think the whole "impeachment" issue is being used by both sides to stoke their base. And, as for the jobs numbers, I put little faith in them under Obama and little faith in them now. There are just as many or more people begging on the street corners after the "recovery" as when the recession (which should be squarely placed at the feet of both parties) began. And most of these jobs are lowest level non-tech, not that well paying jobs anyway. Anything compiled by a partisan government will be molded to say what they want it to say.
 

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That graph is impossible. If 35’ish jobs out of a 1000 are filled by both native and foreign born individuals, are the other 965 going to space aliens?
You're reading it wrong, look at the graph title. It's not saying that out of "1000 new jobs" so many go to those people. It's saying that per 1000 people, those who got new jobs (35), THIS is how the gender and nativity break down. The other 965 didn't get new jobs.
 
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You're reading it wrong, look at the graph title. It's not saying that out of "1000 new jobs" so many go to those people. It's saying that per 1000 people, those who got new jobs (35), THIS is how the gender and nativity break down. The other 965 didn't get new jobs.
Ah, that makes a lot more sense considering it then lines up with the 3.5% of the other graph. It also means the majority of native born people already have jobs and we have to H1 those extra 3% so our companies can function.

You know how many unemployed or under employed people I know now? 0. I knew half dozen friends and a whole crap load of ex coworkers back in 2009, so I’d say we are doing pretty ok these days on the job front. The H1 guys I’m working with are also higher quality these days, wicked smart, not just a cheap chair filler of the past. Eddie, your chart is actually reinforcing how good things are, not some anti US agenda.
 

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I’m still suspicious, just based on previous reports that exaggerated job growth when it wasn’t actually there (huge underemployment), but I do know engineers are becoming harder and harder to lure in and keep as the market has improved as well. Importation might become more necessary there as well if things continue to grow at the current pace.
 
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The job market in KC is so good that the privately owned pizza bar down the block from me is offering a $200 hiring bonus for staff and it's a trendy place so people want to work there. Never thought I'd see signing bonuses for food service jobs. You might recognize the owner Stretch from the Food Network since he is friends with Guy. Stretch has always made a point to hire ex cons in his various restaurants as a way to help rehab people, so apparently even that pool is drying up.
 

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I’m still suspicious, just based on previous reports that exaggerated job growth when it wasn’t actually there (huge underemployment), but I do know engineers are becoming harder and harder to lure in and keep as the market has improved as well. Importation might become more necessary there as well if things continue to grow at the current pace.
Ironically, when things were good before the recession, companies couldn't lay off engineers fast enough and replace them with contractors from Bangalore. I saw the writing on the wall, got my masters in business, and got the hell out while I was still in charge. About two years later, they did lay off the guy I trained to take my spot, and he was younger and cheaper than I would have been.

When things are hot, engineers have some of the best gigs and most leverage of any profession, but the minute things stabilize or some beancounter goes on a trimming spree, they're the first ones on the chopping block.
 
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That guy seems.. like an all around good person.. a richy rich who wants to give away their money?! Made sure he's set for life, his family is all rich enough, but who needs 6 billion dollars sitting around (no one).

I will say I think socialism is bad, but there is something to be said for not hoarding wealth either. Having the richest of the rich sitting on money instead of (at the very least) investing it does no good for anyone else.
 

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There's a huge difference though, between voluntary distribution and forced though. Everyone should be allowed to earn as much as they want to/are capable of, so long as it is done legally and is taxed properly. I'm not a fan of tax shelters or the games accountants play to keep the wealthy from paying as much proportionally as the regular guy. Most of that has been driven by corrupt politicians who have been lobbied (bribed) to create these loopholes in the tax code. That's why I am very much for flat income tax and consumption/use/service taxes. That is the only true measure of equally taxing everyone.
 
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Yeah that is the problem though, those with the money have the means and ability to 'fix' things for themselves.

I don't think it's a RIGHT or LEFT problem.. both of them think of their own wealth first, and then everything else.

How could anyone ever convince them that something as straight forward as a flax tax is any better than forcing them to give up their wealth (it's really the same at that point).
 

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God yes to term limits.. I mean it doesn't need to be 2 or 4 years. But maybe it 10 or 12 if you have to. I get that it probably takes a little bit to get up to speed with everything.. but if we can turn over the President ever 4 or 8 years.. we can do it with everyone else.

The only ones I want to stay long term are the Court justices since they should be able to weather populist storms better.

Being a career politician is like.. the worst thing ever.
 

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Am I crazy for wanting him to tell China to get bent entirely? That we'll find a way to make our own crap again. MOOCA! If crap costs a little more, maybe Americans will buy less crap, but the crap that is bought will be profit that goes to America.
 

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Pretty sure doing it that quick would completely wreck the major department stores. A gradual but continual reduction would be more effective, as it would give everyone a chance to adjust. I imagine that would last about 6 months before China would come begging.
 

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Am I crazy for wanting him to tell China to get bent entirely? That we'll find a way to make our own crap again. MOOCA! If crap costs a little more, maybe Americans will buy less crap, but the crap that is bought will be profit that goes to America.
Yeeeeeeeahhhhhh..... while I too would like to tell china, russia, the middle east, germany, france, and the rest of the world to f#$% off, I'm decidedly against less crap. I'm in the storage business and people owning tons of cheap shit from china is the reason I exist. Now, if you could find a way for this country to competitively make the same amount of crap domestically, then I will get on board.

My dad and I have joked for years that our best friends are Wal-Mart and gravity.
 

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Haha, you selfish bastard! Consider this, if we gave China the bird, I suspect people would horde more crap. "Oh noez! The crap spigot has been cut off! Don't throw that 30 yr old faded Little Tykes stuff out!" Ebay would BOOM!
 

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You're probably right. When cheap crap is suddenly not cheap, everything becomes a treasure to be kept like it's the great depression. My great aunt used to wash and reuse aluminum foil. Not because she was poor or cheap, but just because when she grew up, that's what you did. Couldn't waste that foil! Couldn't consider not reusing that cool-whip container or egg carton to grow starter plants for the garden. "Reuse" was the name of the game.

Fine, screw Gyyyna. If I go out of business, I'm coming to hang with you. You can teach me how to build Fords, right? From what I see on the streets, skills are not required! ;)

(I kid, I kid... on the way home I was just stuck at a redlight behind a 90-ish Ranger held together with coat hangers, only one side of the tailgate attached... I wasn't sure whether I should be embarrassed for the white trash driver or impressed that the poor thing still ran in that shape.)