Star Wars - Episode VIII - The Last Jedi - SPOILERS

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SPOILERS!!!. Kinda....



I liked it overall and put it at 4th (Rogue One, New Hope, Empire, Last Jedi), but I’m using a lot of forgiveness of the kiddy cuteness to put it there (it’s now my gf’s favorite). I understand Star Wars is suppose to be family fun, but there were just too many jokes (even if the whole theatre laughed) for my personal taste and the over the top Captain America BB8 is just horrible. I guess they were trying to mimick R2 being a hero in the prequels, but come on already. The AT-ST in the hanger was way over the line, but I forgive because kids and Chewbacca cooking dinner makes up for the Ewoks and even JarJar. Brilliant.

The story was truly great (such a breath of fresh air) and some of the scenes like the throne room were incredible. I really like (even though I shouldn’t) the casino since it helps connect the prequels and kinda smooths out some of their warts. What was annoying is the physics. The bombers were the most incredible WWII throwback (like the OT was), but how in the hell are they so slow in zero g? Why is the First Order so incompetent? Why is a “smaller and lighterâ€￾ cruiser faster in zero g, yet can only stay the exact same distance away for 18hrs?

Eddie, you are going to go absolutely OCD apeshit over some of the Grand Canyon sized plot holes scattered about. It’s absolutely magic how people just appear.

The writing was refreshing, they did an uncanny job at not giving away anything in the trailers and just about every time I thought something was going to happen, I was wrong.

Can’t wait to see it again with the daughter.
 

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I'm....torn. I didn't hate it, but it didn't hit everywhere with me. I liked parts. I couldn't have cared less about the people on the Resistance ship (except for Billie Lourde. She's hot.). That whole thing was like an intergalactic OJ Simpson car chase. The side trip to Canto Bight annoyed me. If they had a ship that could jump to light speed why not load up as many people as you could and take multiple trips to get them out of there. People bust on how comical Hux was, but he was the same way in TFA. He's waaaaay over the top, but it's consistent at least. Everything Rey/Luke was great. He was like an even more grizzled Yoda. Rey/Kylo was great too. I don't think we've heard the last of her parentage, as it was almost too simple for Kylo to throw that out so she would follow him (come from nothing to rule, classic Cinderella). The guard fight scene was on point. As most of you probably did too, as soon as Luke showed up on Crait with the new hairdo, I knew he wasn't really 'there'. I agree with Russell(friend of mine) about how EPIC it would have been if he really WAS there and just shrugged off that cannon fire like nothing. Some little things that I liked too. The mention of Kylo taking some of the students with him (I'm assuming they are the Knights of Ren). Though, when you get down to it, it's kind of lame though (if that's how it plays out) that he had to start his own little gang with some funny hats.

It was a good movie, but it wasn't great. It covered some of the stuff we wanted to see....but left us hanging on others. I'd give it a 5(close to 6) out of 10. I'll watch it again, but probably not in the theater.
 

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Alright..

So I'm going to lay it all out here, as I had some time to sleep on it.

I imagine this will come off more negative than good, and I don't think the actual movie was more bad than good, but the good parts were more emotional than technical, so it is harder to express those through text.

I'd give the movie a solid 3.25/5. Maybe 3.5/5. In a world where you rate from 0-100, and 0-59 doesn't automatically mean "worse movie ever", I'd give it a 65/100. 50/50 means equal good and bad. This movie is more good than bad, for sure, but there is still a decent chunk of bad.

For reference, if I had to rate other Star Wars movies, I'd probably give Force Awakens a 75/100. Empire Strikes Back a 90/100. Return of the Jedi 88/100. The Phantom Menace.. ehh... 60. Rogue One was a solid 89/100. 95/100 for the last sequence alone.

I'll probably need to see it again to really lock in my opinions, as there is bound to be stuff I missed or interpreted incorrectly.

So I'll start with the good.

- The film LOOKS great. Colors are well used, framing, etc is done very well.

- Almost everything from the OT is amazing, is well used, and done right.

-- Yoda was a great surprise. His CGI/puppet looked a little funky at first but then looked fine.

-- Luke was good. I wish he had more to do, but overall it was a nice return for Mr Skywalker.

-- Leia was mostly good, minus a few things I'll talk about below.

-- R2 playing the "Help me Obi-wan Kenobi" hologram got me teary-eyed, that was great.

-- C-3PO is still useless, but I laughed a few times. Not offensive, just not at all involved.

- The scene where Holdo (dumb name) suicides-by-lightspeed is AMAZING. Best SW scene yet.

- The Porgs were cute/funny. Lasted a LITTLE too long, but was still funny. Chewie eating one was great.

- The throne room fight vs the Red Guards was very cool. The whole scene, even with Snoke, was pretty nicely done.

- Kylo Ren was a lot better in this movie. His behavior/etc makes more sense now.

- Rey being a no-one was nice. Much better than some random kid of some random person, or worse, related to everyone again.

- Music.. it's John Williams, so it's good. Not great, and the throwback music was the best, but it's fine.

... and now the bad.. with the bad it's easier to nitpick and find plot holes, so it'll seem more critical.. but remember 65/100.

- Where the hell were my space battles? We get a little fight in the beginning and then it's just a slow speed pursuit the rest of the movie. The Star Destroyers were the most useless thing around. What was the damn point? Does the First Order only have 4 ships? The Resistance only has a couple?

- How the hell did the First Order take over the galaxy after the last movie.. it literally begins moments after the Force Awakens ends (or at least appears so). The First Order had their damn planet blown up.. and suddenly they're the only military in the galaxy? This is more a dig on the new world-building in Star Wars.. but what the hell was the New Republic doing all those years?

- The First Order is just comically bad. Like.. everyone involved is just evil for evil's sake. There isn't any reason, they're not trying to Make the Galaxy Great Again or anything, they're just bad because the story needs them to be bad. With the Empire.. sure, Vader, the Emperor, some other people were evil, but you could tell most of the rank and file were just there to do a job. Here it feels like everyone is on board with TEAM GO EVIL. It feels cheap.

- To go along with being ridiculously evil, they're also completely inept. Like.. so stupid. You could swap them out with the crew from Spaceballs and I don't think anyone would notice. Again, to compared to the Empire.. the Empire made their mistakes, but for the most part they came off as competent military adversaries. This made it so the heroes had to actually be good at what they were doing in order to beat them, which means you feel like they earned their victories (Ewoks not withstanding).

- Snoke was a fucking joke. No backstory. No history. Nothing. I liked his short time in the movie, but they kill him off like its nothing.. and then.. that's it.

- Speaking of, still no explanation on the formation of the First Order or anything resembling that. I guess it's explained in the new books or something? But needing to read a book to understand a movie is bad movie making.

- Finn did nothing worthwhile the entire movie. All of his scenes could have been cut and it would have been perfectly fine. Lets go over them.. He wakes up and walks around the ship. He runs into annoying engineer.. security girl. He comes up with some wacky plan. He goes to a useless planet. He get another useless character to help with their wacky plan. Said plan doesn't work anyway. He gets a chance to sacrifice himself for the Resistance and gets stopped at the last second. Has a VERY stupid and VERY forced "romantic" scene with the stupid engineer girl. She LOVES him? She's spent like 12 hours with him. I guess he got to take down Phasma (also wasted in this movie again).

- Engineer/Security girl. Also pretty useless. I thought the Bomber girl was her wife or something, they clarified it was her sister. They used this character to really ham up the "Rich vs Poor" angle, which was lame and felt forced.

- The whole casino planet felt forced. From landing.. on the BEACH? You're part of the Resistance.. shouldn't you be more stealthy? Walking around in a Resistance uniform? Like.. no subtly at all. The cutsey animals and kids was too much. The rich assholes gambling was too much. It all.. ugh. Just too much. Took away from the important stuff that was going on elsewhere. Could have been entirely cut and would not have impacted a thing.

- Leia surviving in space, and superman'ing her way back into the ship with the Force. COME ON MAN. Faking out her death with Carrie Fisher dying was pretty lame. Everyone kept waiting for her to bite it.. and she never does. But having her suddenly fly around with the Force? Ugh. It was super cringe-worthy.

- Holdo not telling Poe about her plan.. like.. seriously? He's the best pilot left and ostensibly 2nd in command.. if she would have shared the plan, then the whole casino world would never have happened! None of that! People would probably still be alive! I read online that it was put in as a show against "Toxic masculinity" and to show how men are bad. Figures.

- The stupid salt skimmers or whatever were so stupid AND useless. Didn't accomplish a damn thing. Didn't even slow them down. Like.. what was the point? Why couldn't they have used old Rebel Snowspeeders or something instead and been semi-effective?

- Lack of R2-D2. Like.. why? Both movies now. I get they want BB-8 to be the 'new hotness' but there was room in the movie to have them both involved. C-3PO is just in the way now. I don't get it. It's a droid.. you can use droids forever, they don't age.

- Killing Admiral Ackbar like that was just dirty. I didn't even know he was there until someone mentioned it. Sad really.

- Really the whole main plot. Stuck in a slow speed chase for 18 hours. No one is being very inventive. It's just a stupid stand-off. Felt like they could have gone 100 different ways and made it better or more interesting. Put a traitor or saboteur on the resistance ship or something.


Questions.. stuff that's not really good or bad.. just in the middle..

- Humor. There was a LOT. Most of it got laughs from the audience but it still felt out of place for Star Wars. Like prequel-level humor. Milking the fat alien. The slapstick stuff with the caretakers. The Poe/Hux joking around. It IS funny, but I wonder how it'll age.

- This is the first time in 37 years that I felt Star Wars isn't really made for ME. I am no longer the target audience. Even with the prequels I felt that there was enough there to connect me and keep me hooked. After TLJ I am feeling mostly ambivalent with everything Star Wars. I don't hate it, I just don't love it anymore.

- Why wouldn't Luke tell everyone he's a Force projection decoy, so they could START their escape right away? I know its because they're fooling the audience but it doesn't make any sense story wise. He cost them precious time. Hell, come to think of it, he didn't even know about the exit, so what was his plan anyway?

- Him dying or becoming one with the Force or whatever.. ehh. It was OK, but I felt like that should have been saved for the end of the next movie to close out the Skywalker saga. Now we just need to see Kylo bite it.. and we're done. Leia will have to be killed off-screen, which sucks.

- The Jedi books were a useless plot device. Same with the dark side glory hole.

- The overriding theme was "fuck the old stuff you used to like" which, on one hand I give them credit for being so bold about it, but on the other hand really alienates me as a fan (see above). My biggest issue with it, is that the stuff they provide to replace the old stuff isn't of equal caliber, so we're left with an inferior product.

- I would have MUCH preferred the Luke scenes at the end to be as follows: Luke arrives, goes out to confront the First Order. They go to fire on him like they do, but after he 'survives', he shows the power of the Jedi and just straight destroys the walkers with the Force. Closes his eyes and you just see the rivets/etc popping out of the walkers as he pulls them apart. The troopers come out, and Kylo goes to confront him alone, the rest can play out the same. I just think it would have been so cool to see a final ultimate use of the Force by Skywalker.

- If the First Order was tracking the Resistance through hyperspace.. couldn't they have found the tracking beacon? Or was it just more technobabble that wasn't explained?

I am sure I'll have more thoughts as we debate but that's my take so far.
 

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Dre.. thanks for reminding me.. where were the Knights of Ren? The 'flashback' from Force Awakens was nowhere to be seen.. did they have their little outfits ready when they destroyed the temple? Or is that some other time?

Are we going to see them in the next episode? Kylo gets the band back together?
 

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My theory is...

Luke mentioned Kylo took some students with him when he left the school. I'm thinking the ones he took became the KoR. But if so...it's kinda lame. "Hey guys...we just blew up that group and all...but lets make our own group, with beer and hookers, and funny hats."
 

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If I had to rank right now I'd go:

Empire Strikes Back
Rogue One
Return of the Jedi
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(These are all really close to each other and likely will bounce around depending on how I'm feeling)

The Force Awakens (tie)
Revenge of the Sith (tie)

The Last Jedi
Attack of the Clones
The Phantom Menace
 

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My theory is...

Luke mentioned Kylo took some students with him when he left the school. I'm thinking the ones he took became the KoR. But if so...it's kinda lame. "Hey guys...we just blew up that group and all...but lets make our own group, with beer and hookers, and funny hats."
Yeah that would make the most sense.. but again.. where the heck are they? You'd think Snoke would want more evil Force users around. I can't even tell if he was keeping up with the Sith nonsense or not.
 

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Again, just my thoughts on all this.

I think they're just hanging out somewhere waiting for him to come back and give orders. This was pretty soon after TFA really so there wasn't much time for him to wander...being hurt and all.

Anyways...

Snoke...I feel he is the Prime Jedi. The original Force user. It's been said he is ancient. In the cave by the cliff, there was that pool that Luke sat next to with an insignia in it. It was of a person sitting with half being light and half being dark. I feel that's Snoke. The Original Jedi religion never broke up the light and dark. The Jedi themselves did so down the line when they felt it was a danger to use the dark side. Snoke was never a Sith, so he wouldn't give a crap about the way the Sith worked.
 

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My theory is...

Luke mentioned Kylo took some students with him when he left the school. I'm thinking the ones he took became the KoR. But if so...it's kinda lame. "Hey guys...we just blew up that group and all...but lets make our own group, with beer and hookers, and funny hats."
Wunderbar, Death Eaters with lightsabers.
 

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Again, just my thoughts on all this.

I think they're just hanging out somewhere waiting for him to come back and give orders. This was pretty soon after TFA really so there wasn't much time for him to wander...being hurt and all.

Anyways...

Snoke...I feel he is the Prime Jedi. The original Force user. It's been said he is ancient. In the cave by the cliff, there was that pool that Luke sat next to with an insignia in it. It was of a person sitting with half being light and half being dark. I feel that's Snoke. The Original Jedi religion never broke up the light and dark. The Jedi themselves did so down the line when they felt it was a danger to use the dark side. Snoke was never a Sith, so he wouldn't give a crap about the way the Sith worked.
Interesting.. if true it makes their off-hand killing of him even more stupid.

I think a change from Light/Dark to a more neutral aspect is good, and a nice change.. but I can't imagine it'll last long. Someone will go dark and someone will try to stop them and go light.
 

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- This is the first time in 37 years that I felt Star Wars isn't really made for ME.

- to close out the Skywalker saga.

- The overriding theme was "fuck the old stuff you used to like" which, on one hand I give them credit for being so bold about it, but on the other hand really alienates me as a fan (see above).
(Haven't seen the movie yet) Up until I read that ^^ stuff, I was reading your other issues like OT character deaths or the little use of the OT characters. Also that Rey has no Skywalker lineage. The more I read of that, the more a picture was painted: they want to end the Skywalker stuff and move on with their OWN new stories. They are done with Lucas. Rey having no Skywalker connection really sold that message to me. Then you and Dre talk about the abandonment of light/dark side. They want to keep the biggest draw, the Star Wars name, but use the endless possibilities universe of SW to tell their own stories.

From a profit perspective, I find this move odd. First, it seems they're losing OT fans by alienating them. The further they move on, the less and less OT fans will care and/or spend money. Then you have the new fans. The more distance they create from the OT, the less need the new fans will have for spending money on the OT.

Do they have to pay royalties to Lucas for the stuff he created?
 

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Nah he sold everything I think.

I am sure the new powers that be want to put their own stamp on things and "make it their own" but also, from a creative perspective, not keep doing this circular thing where it's all just a rehash from before. Once you get into 6-7-8-9 movies.. it gets hard not to do something similar to what you did before. Especially when you're essentially telling the same kind of tales over and over.

I definitely think they want this "New Trilogy" NT to be focused towards millennials and kids. They're pushing hard on the diversity angle, hating on the rich, uplift the poor, etc. "Anyone can be a Jedi!" is slowly getting back on the table too it seems.

Like I said, I'm not upset, or hate the movie.. it's just the first time I actively feel like something wasn't made with me in mind to enjoy. It's fine, it's just weird since Star Wars has always been "my thing" since I was a kid.

But honestly.. why would they want to market to mid-30's/40's/50's!
 

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I definitely think they want this "New Trilogy" NT to be focused towards millennials and kids. They're pushing hard on the diversity angle, hating on the rich, uplift the poor, etc. "Anyone can be a Jedi!" is slowly getting back on the table too it seems.
Ugh. Now I'm not sure I even want to see the movie at all. :grumpy:

But honestly.. why would they want to market to mid-30's/40's/50's!
Because :greedy::greedy::greedy:?

Why alienate any stream of income?
 

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Also.. I forgot another huge negative'ish thing..

Through these two new "trilogy"movies.. they've managed to make the Star Wars universe feel TINY. The 30-odd years of Extended Universe things, movies, shows, games, etc led to their highly complex and interesting galaxy. Things felt "lived in", and real.

These new movies.. feel tiny in comparison. We see tiny little villages, small bases, a big weapon planet, but only a tiny part of it. The biggest thing we see is when Starkiller blows up a bunch of planets, but even those we only get to see for a couple seconds.

Think about it.. in the FIRST Star Wars movie we saw Mos Eisley.. it was a spaceport in a podunk backwater planet. Nothing in these new movies feels nearly as alive and real. We got the Cantina in Force Awakens, but it seemingly existed on its own on a random planet. There wasn't anything else there! Jakku was like a couple of huts. Casino World has 1 Casino. Salt world had a mining cave. Luke's little island felt the most well rounded because it was actually a little island. Everything else is acting like a little island..

Rogue One's Jedha felt like a return to form. Even the short visit to the other planets felt better too.

But beyond just the planets.. the tiny fleets.. everything just feels small. For a First Order that is supposed to be 'taking over the galaxy' everything just feels rushed and small. Oooh you have a big Dreadnought.. probably multiples of them.. but we only see one, and it doesn't do a whole lot.

Side note.. another gripe.. so say you warp into a system and you have a ship that can (A) obliterate a base on the surface and (b) obliterate the enemy ship in orbit. Do you (#1) hit the ship in orbit first, since, you know, it can run away, or (#2) shoot the stationary base on the ground, because.. fuck that base.

Of course Star Wars picks #2, and the ship gets away, thus forming the entirety of the story.. another reason why the First Order is retarded.

Back on topic.. I just can't get over how small everything feels. It's not this big grand battle against anything. It feels like two sides who the rest of the galaxy doesn't care about having a slap fight.
 

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On the plus side, it seems like they are banking on OT fans with the "SW Story" films. Rogue One seems evidence of that. ST stories for us geezers. NT diversity/mermaid farts/everyone gets a trophy stories for snowflakes. :D
 

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Remember.. like I said above, even though I have (a lot) of criticisms, in the end it was still a net positive movie for me. I am disappointed that I wasn't "WOWED" out of my socks, but it's not bad.

I remember leaving the theater for Force Awakens and being like WOW BEST STAR WARS MOVIE EVERY O M G DID YOU SEE OH WOW MY GOD STAR WARS! Then over time, it's settled down to the middle-tier of movies. I don't really have any desire to watch it again, and I don't think I watched it outside of the theaters.

Rogue One I left the theater with a shit eating grin after that last sequence.. and my appreciation for the movie hasn't really waned. I don't really have a desire to re-watch it a ton, as it's a little dark, but I hold it fondly still.

I imagine this one will be a bit of the opposite.. you leave kinda going WTF, and over time it might warm up to people and it'll be regarded better over time as opposed to Force Awakens. Just a guess though.
 

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Because :greedy::greedy::greedy:?

Why alienate any stream of income?
18-49 is the big demographic everyone wants. The older you get the harder it gets to part you from your money, or influence your opinion. At this point I'm only gonna acknowledge the OT and selected, pre-Mouse EU.
 

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Eddie, they don’t care if they alienate us because they know damn well we’ll go with our kids whether we are super into it or if it’s only Star Wars by name. There are plenty of good bones tossed to us in TLJ, but they are no longer wasting time coddling us. It’s crystal clear that this trilogy’s single purpose is to suck in an entirely new generation while wrapping up a past that stands in their way at the moment. My gf is proof positive this formula is working because she can’t stop talking about it today and has been online reading about it. Let me repeat that, a 40yr old woman who had never paid attention to SW before me is searching out discussions online because of this movie. Let that sink in.



So many facepalm moments, but you would be a fool to not see it on the big screen. As NSA said, it looks incredible.
 

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I have no doubt that it looks incredible. The VFX studios behind all of the MCU and Valerian (which looked absolutely stunning most of the time)? It has to be spectacular.

Am I the only that kind of wishes that all SW films would've been filmed, created and done in the same production style as the originals? For consistencies sake? I know it wouldn't be that well received, but man, that "dirty" and "cheap" look is what made the OT so special. The light sabers being the majority of color. Some "vintaged" edits would be so cool!
 

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I have no doubt that it looks incredible. The VFX studios behind all of the MCU and Valerian (which looked absolutely stunning most of the time)? It has to be spectacular.

Am I the only that kind of wishes that all SW films would've been filmed, created and done in the same production style as the originals? For consistencies sake? I know it wouldn't be that well received, but man, that "dirty" and "cheap" look is what made the OT so special. The light sabers being the majority of color. Some "vintaged" edits would be so cool!
Yup, practical effects and models. Unfortunately we've moved past those as an option in SW movies.
 

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CGI just gives them the (unfortunate) ability to be ridiculous. To outdo what they've or someone else have done before. Think of the garbage compactor scene in New Hope. The mystery of the monster was better than seeing the monster. If that was done today, without question, we'd see some ridiculous, over-the-top creature like that mind reading octopus creature in Rogue One.

Or what about Wampa. He was practical and looked great. It was a simple part of the plot. Not over-the-top at all. Done today? There'd be some ridiculous battle scene with 50 Wampas.

Sure, scenes like Rancor would've benefited back in the day from better CGI, but it seems you can't have both good CGI availability and filmmakers that won't get ridiculous with it. For some reason they just can't bring themselves to use it sparingly. I mean, salt is great on food. You sprinkle it on to bring out the flavors, not dump it on and ruin the dish.

I don't know...
 

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Just saw it I can honestly say I don't know how I feel about this movie

A lot of bits taken from empire & return of the Jedi but reversed the order

Forget anything about military strategy as a lot of what goes on contradicts previous established rules of Star Wars Hux lost any respect I had for the character before this
Phasma - first thought oh ya I forgot you were in this too. Wasted character

As a joke I kept saying the porgs eat chewbacca, so I laughed when Chewie tried to eat a porg.

Mixed feelings on how they used Luke kinda wished they offed Carrie & kept Luke

I have a feeling I will like it more on the rewatch
 

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Rich vs poor

I thought it was clearly exploiters vs exploited. Masters vs slaves. That’s like saying watching a film about cotton plantations is an attack on the wealthy. Simply put, we haven’t seen many middle class or rich folk in this epic of mass war of attrition. To see them for the first time, I think the logical conclusion is war profiteering. They even muddy the waters a little bit by showing the one guy sold to both the First Order and Resistence.

Space felt completely empty and slow. Works for 2001: A Space Odyssey. Not Star Wars. TESB at least broke it up with the asteroid sequence and while we don’t want a repeat, you can use nebulas, suns, black holes, etc to break the monotony and intensify the action.

Hux is annoying. Vader would have killed him in 5 minutes and told Snoke, “deal with it.â€￾ (Vader with 8bit sunglasses)
 

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Hux is what happens when you give control of your military to a millennial.

Why were there snow troopers on the salt planet other than to mimick ESB? It’s not like it was cold or for camouflage reasons since everyone wears white. 2 movies with them and they still have not fired a single shot...

Hux says they had the Rebels on a string and didn’t care if they jumped and then whispers how to Snoke and they both have their evil genius laugh. At this point I figure they have a beacon, spy or they are tracking an implant inside their ex stormtrooper. Later Rose and Finn come up with the theory of the device on the star destroyer and of course this sets them off on their side adventure. So why did Snoke not know about this device on all of his ships until then? How did the janitor know “only one ship at a time can track usâ€￾? Anyone else get the feeling that Hux and Snoke were whispering about a spy or Finn when their scene was filmed and then the whole Finn Rose adventure was written in because they needed something for the black guy to do?
 

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I definitely concur on it largely being TESB & RTJ in reverse order.
Whew, lad.
Some (a lot?) of the humor was ill-timed. Snoke was so anti-fucking-climatic. Corporeal Force ghosts feels like a cop out. I'm torn on Luke's fate. Where the fuck are the First Order getting the resources to build and staff these ships the size of Manhattan? Why is the concept of fast attack cruisers lost on them? Why does everything have to be a capital ship? Hasbro will be releasing casino aliens FOR YEARS, even though that whole aside was pretty tacked-on. The porgs weren't terrible, and at least they weren't besting the FO's crack troops on a jungle planet. Phasma, in typical fashion, suffers from filler villain syndrome. I do feel, however, that we haven't seen the last of that big chrome bitch. I laugh heartily at Rey's parents being galactic white trash. Hux should change his name to Cux. That character is completely neutered now. Someone should have told Kylo that "no quarter" already means "take no prisoners". Laura Dern still looks pretty good, even with Tumblrina SJW hair.

I dunno, it's not Phantom Menace, but that's not saying a lot. It's like Rian Johnson didn't even watch The Force Awakens. Eh, see you in '19, when they finally wrap up this stage of Disney's SW dog-and-pony show.
 
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Hux is what happens when you give control of your military to a millennial.
So true, Vader would have snapped his neck with the first stupid mistake.

Meanwhile.....

Well I seen a horse fly
I seen a dragon fly
I seen a house fly

But I've been, done, seen about everything
When I see a Princess Leia fly
:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:

Rogue One was much better.
 

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Rogue One was much better. It was what people wanted to see after 30 years of waiting. It was fan service straight up. Will be interesting to see how the Solo movie goes.. If they give us nostalgic throwback looks like they should.

Last Jedi was just so mixed. The WHOLE Casino/Finn subplot was so unneeded and wasted time we could have been seeing something good. Nothing they did had any impact on anything.

Flying Leia is still really stupid.

The Force stuff was mostly good.

I still can't help but not really care for any of the new people. Rey is okay but she's not great. Finn and Rose.. Eh. Poe is fine but he's no Han.

R2-D2 was robbed.
 

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I definitely concur on it largely being TESB & RTJ in reverse order.
Whew, lad.
Some (a lot?) of the humor was ill-timed. Snoke was so anti-fucking-climatic. Corporeal Force ghosts feels like a cop out. I'm torn on Luke's fate. Where the fuck are the First Order getting the resources to build and staff these ships the size of Manhattan? Why is the concept of fast attack cruisers lost on them? Why does everything have to be a capital ship? Hasbro will be releasing casino aliens FOR YEARS, even though that whole aside was pretty tacked-on. The porgs weren't terrible, and at least they weren't besting the FO's crack troops on a jungle planet. Phasma, in typical fashion, suffers from filler villain syndrome. I do feel, however, that we haven't seen the last of that big chrome bitch. I laugh heartily at Rey's parents being galactic white trash. Hux should change his name to Cux. That character is completely neutered now. Someone should have told Kylo that "no quarter" already means "take no prisoners". Laura Dern still looks pretty good, even with Tumblrina SJW hair.

I dunno, it's not Phantom Menace, but that's not saying a lot. It's like Rian Johnson didn't even watch The Force Awakens. Eh, see you in '19, when they finally wrap up this stage of Disney's SW dog-and-pony show.
Best review yet!
 

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But, wasn't the whole point of the Death Star blowing up Scarif to stop the Death Star plans from getting out? And even if that wasn't the Empire's main goal, it would've been the unintentional outcome regardless had the rebels not been successful...right? Soooo, if the hyperspace tracking plans were stored on Scarif in the only location, how did the First Order get a hold of them if they were blown up?
 

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So why didn't Grand Master P Snoke know about it?
Big Bosses can't be bothered to know what their peons are doing.

But, wasn't the whole point of the Death Star blowing up Scarif to stop the Death Star plans from getting out? And even if that wasn't the Empire's main goal, it would've been the unintentional outcome regardless had the rebels not been successful...right? Soooo, if the hyperspace tracking plans were stored on Scarif in the only location, how did the First Order get a hold of them if they were blown up?
I think they said in Rogue One that the only known COPY of the DS plans was on Scarif.. so the originals were probably somewhere else. Likely the same for the rest of the stuff stored there.

We have to assume the First Order got their info/etc from the Empire.. but it sure would have been nice to find out how/why.
 

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I do wonder how much our own 'needs to know' can get in the way of enjoying something.

We want to see how all these new things tie into the things we loved about the OT. But in the OT days we just accepted the new things. Why wasn't Vader in his Super Star Destroyer in A New Hope? (Apparently there was one docked INSIDE THE DEATH STAR.. what!?! Learn something new every day)

I think in some part our desire to know everything can lead us to overthink things. It's hard with Star Wars because we've had.. what.. 40 years, or at least 35 years of going over everything with a fine detail comb. We know how many people are on a ship, how many laser cannons they have, etc etc. It makes the world feel 'real'. For them to go off and do new stuff and NOT explain it all, it suddenly feel like it doesn't belong in this 'real' world we thought we knew.

I have an urge and desire to know more, but it's not my biggest problem with the move.

The Finn/Rose subplot was just bad. It was prequel level bad. The fact that it resulted in nothing good for the good guys isn't great, but neither did Cloud City. The wacky hi-jinks and funny aliens and what-not just felt out of place. When you dig a little deeper.. you start to look at the Star Wars-science and go.. if they could get them off the ship.. why not do that with everyone and slowly move everyone off the cruiser right under the First Orders noses.. coupled with the fact that Finn & Rose got no real dialog or meaning other than to show "oh look, rich people treat the poor slave kids poorly".. it all feels like a waste of 30 minutes of the movie. The DJ/hacker guy was also a complete waste.

Leia and her Spacecapades. I don't mind this use of the Force, or even that we never saw her use it before. I can mentally wrap my mind around the fact that maybe she kept it under wraps. What bothers me is how terrible it looked & felt. I am sure some of this has to do with the fact that she really died.. but to 'kill' her and see her 'dead' in space, peaceful'ish.. and then Oh just kidding she can wake up in space and pull herself to safety.. just felt cheap. It looked dumb. Like she was skating on ice or something. The bigger picture me thinks.. it was just more wasted time as she can't be in the next movie and really has a small part in the rest of the movie as a whole.

Remove those two things.. and by default the stupid broom kid at the end.. and I feel like it'd be a somewhat more solid movie.

Have Leia pilot the Cruiser in the suicide mission. Have her go out saving everyone she cares about instead of Holdo who we just met. You had all the opportunity there. They'd established Rey/Kylo talking to each other through the Force.. why not have a moment where Luke/Leia get a minute to talk to each other before she engages the hyper-drive. Show her sacrifice as emboldening Luke to do the right thing. It'd be super emotional and a fitting ending for the Princess General.

Leave Luke alive, but extremely exhausted from his Force projection, and let him go out and become one with the force in episode 9. Or if you wanted to keep it this way, have him die the same way, but frame it as him joining with Leia again or something. I just feel like they totally missed the tonal boat at every opportunity.
 

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I really want to go see it (even with the boatload of SJW nonsense) but with kids out of school for 2 weeks and a lot of working folks also having time off...I, I just can't bring myself to even attempt a crowded or half crowded theater. :talktothehand:

I'm not sure I NEED to know more. I mean, I want to, yes, but not NEED. Um, what I NEED is for people creating these films (and TV shows) to do whatever they have to make sure plot holes don't exist so that we don't have to explain them away or make assumptions.