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Yup, that's the still I saw. Jacen Solo kills his daddy.




Honestly, I would have preferred if Han died young and childless. Same for Indy.
 

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So with that out of the way..

I liked it. I really liked it. I'd say I liked 95% of it.

+ I liked the new characters, all things considered Finn & Rey were solid throughout. Kylo Ren was OK, but didn't get enough screen time to really develop his character too much. Imagine we'll see a lot more going forward. BB-8 was legitimately good. Poe Dameron wasn't bad either.

+ I liked the old characters. Everyone seemed to do a decent job, Chewbacca was probably the best (LOL). Harrison Ford did a great old-Han, and while I was sad to see him go, it's probably for the best in the long run. Leia was fine, in very limited screen time. C-3PO was fine, nice to see him without it revolving around him & R2-D2.

+ The movie was funny. I liked the jokes, none really fell flat. It wasn't stupid slapstick like Episode 1, and it wasn't brooding and moody like Episode 2 & 3. It was just mostly fun.

+ Some of the best CGI I've ever seen. Really, really well done. I saw a 3D showing, and while I don't feel 3D added anything substantial to the experience, I don't feel like it took anything away either. But the graphics were awesome. Everything looks very worn and lived in, which is a nice departure from the clean shit in Episode 1-3.

+ Dialog was good. Nothing amazing or fancy, but it was delivered convincingly I felt, and didn't fall into the prequel trap of nonsense + wooden acting/directing.

= The story. Different than what I was expecting, but decent. Not enough "world building" for my liking, but I can see that being hard to do with everything else going on. We get the general gist of what everyone has been doing for the last 30 years, but we don't get much info on the First Order OR the New Republic, other than some quick lines. I want to know more! I guess that's what the books/tv shows/coffee creamers/etc are for.

= Lens flare. It's there, not terrible though.

= Music. It's OK, but it didn't knock me out of the park like I was hoping it would. You have your standard Star Wars motifs present, but the new stuff wasn't anything on equal to The Imperial March or other character themes. Admittedly I will need to listen to it closer to be sure, but it just wasn't amazing.

= Luke. He's only in the movie for a couple of minutes at the very end, he doesn't even say anything! However, the whole movie is basically about "The Search for Luke" so it makes sense. I guess we'll have to see how he does in EPVIII.

- The ending. Thematically I felt it was fine, story wise I felt it was fine, but it just left me feeling kind of... flat. I thought it was going to end with Rey and Chewie going into hyperspace, which was a cocktease, but felt OK. But then they go and actually find Luke and she hikes up 4000 steps to find him, and then.. awkward moment with outstretched hand with lightsaber.. annnnd.. credits. I like where it puts the Star Wars universe in regards to future prospects, but felt like it could have been done WAYYYYY better. By the time the credits rolled, I wanted MORE, which is a good thing, but more so because I felt like the movie wasn't done, or we'd seen the beginning of EPVIII and that's it. I guess I wanted more exposition at the end of the movie, and we just got pretty scenery.

- The Death of Han. Again, I felt the actual action of him dying was fine, the reasoning behind it was fine, the effect it has in-universe is a good thing I feel. I just felt it wasn't handled as well as it could have been. The music + on-screen combination didn't hit me in 'the feels' like it should have, which I thought was weird. I also felt like we needed more on-screen mourning or.. something, for as big a character as they killed off. We get some Chewie roaring and a hug.. but I dunno. Felt like a missed opportunity to get the waterworks started with people.

- Same-y-ness. There is a fine line between nostalgic and copy-cat, and the movie tended to do this pretty well, but there were a few scenes were I felt like it dipped into the well a little too much. This is more nit picky than anything, and really this could be a = instead of a -.

? Who the hell is Supreme Leader Snoke? And who thought Snoke was a good name. I did like that he appeared in the same manner as the Emperor in ESB. He doesn't look familiar to me though. Curious to learn more.

? Where are the damn Capital Ships? We see a couple Star Destroyers and then some shuttles and fighters.. no Mon Cal Cruisers.. no Frigates.. nothing!

? What planets got destroyed? I know they mentioned a system, but I don't remember.. was that Coruscant? Or some other planet? Damn powerful Starkiller weapon. Again I feel like it would have been more impactful if we had some kind (any kind) of understanding of the New Republic as it stood during the movie.
 

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Yup, that's the still I saw. Jacen Solo kills his daddy.

Honestly, I would have preferred if Han died young and childless. Same for Indy.

Yeah.. it was done mostly well, and makes sense story-wise, being the catalyst to make sure Kylo Ren is #TeamDarkside.

Also, I feel they need to kill off the old stars for the sake of the franchise. It was great getting them back together for this, but realistically they don't have a ton of more time to send these geriatrics on adventures. I would have liked to had Han, Luke & Leia all meet up once before he got offed.. but it is what it is.
 

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Judging just on the trailers, they seemed like they'd be good.

The music notes you left make me sad. I feel like it's such an important part. They changed the Superman theme and I just can't get into the new one at all like the amazing Williams theme.
 

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Judging just on the trailers, they seemed like they'd be good.

The music notes you left make me sad. I feel like it's such an important part. They changed the Superman theme and I just can't get into the new one at all like the amazing Williams theme.

Oh yeah.. thankfully its not nearly that bad. The normal Star Wars music is still there, I was just hoping for something new that was equal to the old stuff I loved.. or remixed or something.

Getting rid of the Superman theme all together was bullshit.


Ah thanks.. Im going to need to re-train my brain to forget all the Non-Canon EU stuff.
 

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I loved it, but it did feel sterile. Something was missing though. Only one or two scenes made me care what was happening with the characters and only Rey's duel made me care about a new character.

I did not like Poe for the first half, but his role fit the 2nd half just fine.

I did not like Kylo until I understood what was going on internally with him. He needed more back story time to develope, but I do like Adam's performance the longer I think about it. He is what teen Anakin should have been.

The plot failed exactly where I feared it would from the previews. They tried to fit the entire OT into 2hrs 11mins. Not enough time between fight scenes/planet hopping to develop the threads holding everything together. We have seen every scene before in the OT, right down to another Deathstar trench run. That is where my eyes rolled and I begged for something new. Where did that trench even come from?!?

I understand why they regurgitated the exact movies we have already seen and I know they have to get everyone caught up and onboard with Star Wars, but if 8 follows the same pattern, these movies are going to get old quickly.

Having said that, I'd give it a 4-4.5 out of 5 for pure OT porn and action.
 

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Do we have a release window for episode VIII? I hope we aren't dealing with any of that Lucasonian, "three years between instalments" bullshit.
 

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Maz was awesome, Rey was brilliant, Chewie's new touches made him the best character and Finn could fall off a cliff for all I cared.

Why did we need the freighter scene with the dueling gangs? Pointless.

Snow troopers were there for 5 seconds to sell action figures.
 

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Supposedly every other year for direct SW sequels. A spinoff comes in the year between them. So a SW related film every year IRCC.
 

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My favorite line:

"Han's not here to save you. It's just us now!"

Or something like that. It was perfect. Literal and figurative.

It's like, he's dead so they have to fight alone, but also he's essentially saying to the audience, "they had their time and this is our adventure now."

The writing over all was so good. Characters, emotions, setting, grit. It was all classic Star Wars. Even to the point of how George intended to have the movies "rhyme" but failed miserably at that aspect. Perfect bridge between the old and the new, while creating this new world and characters that I cared about and wanted to see grow.

A lot of people are saying that it's just copy and paste, but I think it's more of an homage. JJ, imho played the part perfectly of a young George Lucas if he were copy and pasted from the 70's to now. .. but really fuck Lucas. Fuck that guy. THIS is what the prequels should have been. It's just sad knowing what could have been better.
 

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Did anyone get the impression that when Kylo slams his helmet down during Rey's interrogation that it is into something holding Vaders ashes?
 

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Did anyone get the impression that when Kylo slams his helmet down during Rey's interrogation that it is into something holding Vaders ashes?

That's the leading theory right now. Also it may be ashes from Mustafar as well.
 

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Cool!


I have postulated that Sidious thought his master died.

Instead Plageuis slinks aways barely surviving but healing himself and now making a new sect - Knights of Ren.

or something along that line.

Also would explain his interest in Ben Solo (Anakin's grandson) and the desperation to kill Luke.
 

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Apparently nobody told Ben Solo that his grandfather turned to the light side and single-handedly defeated the Empire.

J.J. Abrams On Why 'Kylo Ren' Idolizes 'Darth Vader' In STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS

It seems a flimsy excuse to me, but it is what it is. He considers Anikin and Vader separate people I guess.

Maybe he wants to succeed at not succumbing to the light side?

good point in the comment section..

Not sure how someone that grew up with leia and han as his parents, and Luke as his mentor/teacher could be misguided





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OMG, my first thought upon seeing Snoke:

"WTF, GOLLUM?!?!"

Otherwise, like the movie a lot more than I expected. Was not surprised that Kylo was Han's son. He seems like the kind of father to have a kid with daddy issues.
 

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Apparently nobody told Ben Solo that his grandfather turned to the light side and single-handedly defeated the Empire.

Also, outside of throwing the Emperor down a shaft, Vader didn't do much but grunt work and fear tactics. Boy is his face going to be red.
 

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J.J. Abrams On Why 'Kylo Ren' Idolizes 'Darth Vader' In STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS

It seems a flimsy excuse to me, but it is what it is. He considers Anikin and Vader separate people I guess.

Maybe he wants to succeed at not succumbing to the light side?

good point in the comment section...

Doesn't matter if his mother was Leia, or his uncle Luke Skywalker. If you can't control your emotions, I would say no matter what your lineage was -- in this story universe -- it is easy to succumb to the dark side.
 

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I haven't seen it yet, I won't for a few weeks at least...f*%# obnoxious crowds! :mad:

But anyway, I've read all the spoilers and I have a question...or two.

Do you think the film would've been better if Ren had stayed masked and mysterious for a film or two more and wasn't revealed to be Han's son until then?

Also, going by what I hear, he's a whiny, spoiled brat. Did him being unmasked ruin a potential "badass villain" vibe? Like when they finally unmasked Vader, and he was revealed to be a sickly looking old man, it really ruined how cool Vader was, but it was okay since his story was over.

So yeah, I'm not sure how important him being unmasked was to the movie, but do you think it would've been better had he not been?
 

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Unmasked was fine. It humanized him for the scene where he needed to be. He knows who Rey is, & that scene if I am right will be more emotional when we know what's is the next movie

Also if you don't know he is han's son then the whole movie falls apart
 

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When watching the film, I was confused about why the resistance needed to exist. It didn't sound like the New Order had taken control over most the galaxy like the Empire had, and the there was a new Republic too. So why wasn't the Resistance just Republic's army? How much of the galaxy did the Republic control? And why did nobody see the Starkiller base coming? Everyone dropped the ball on that. The Bothans didn't do their job this time it seems.
 

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When watching the film, I was confused about why the resistance needed to exist. It didn't sound like the New Order had taken control over most the galaxy like the Empire had, and the there was a new Republic too. So why wasn't the Resistance just Republic's army? How much of the galaxy did the Republic control? And why did nobody see the Starkiller base coming? Everyone dropped the ball on that. The Bothans didn't do their job this time it seems.

The New Republic & 1st order are essentially 2 different countries. They have a truce, No one controls all of the galexy. But the New Republic has been funding the resistance which live under the 1st order. Which pissed off the 1st order which is why they blew away the senate on whatever its called system (not corasent)
 

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I feel like that was never adequately explained in the movie.
 

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I thought the opening scroll talked more about Luke being missing more than anything else. That seemed to be some huge emphasis until the Star Killer base wiped out five planets.
 

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The New Republic & 1st order are essentially 2 different countries. They have a truce, No one controls all of the galexy. But the New Republic has been funding the resistance which live under the 1st order. Which pissed off the 1st order which is why they blew away the senate on whatever its called system (not corasent)

SO basically the Republic is America, meddling in other people's business. :trollface:

I braved a theatre and nearly crawled out of my skin, but I did it. It wasn't bad. The frame-for-frame A New Hope gripes are well-founded. Rey completely Mary Sues with Luke's lightsaber, and Ben Solo is every bit the whiny, emo bitch his grandfather was. There were quite a few laughs to be had, but they weren't obnoxious. I kind of liked that Han and Leia weren't "together". One thing that did bother me was the fact that Han acts like he's never seen Chewie's bowcaster in action. He's been using the goddamn thing for 40 years.

I like that Luke is gonna have to cowboy the fuck up. All-in-all, we're already ahead of episodes I and II
 

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SO basically the Republic is America, meddling in other people's business. :trollface:

Short version of Star Wars.
OT - These are the good guys & These are the bad guys. If there are any questions about that the Bad guys BLEW UP A FREAKEN PLANET!

PT - Oh wait Maybe the good guys aren't really that good. The government the rebels are trying to rebuild was useless. The clones/storm troopers are the ones helping people. Oh & the Jedi kidnap children & are likely pedos. The Empire might be the best thing to happen to the galaxy.

New T - OK lets try to keep the good guys good.... Oh shit they are Al-Qaeda, they continued a gorilla style war against the 1st Order/Empire resulting in the Starkiller base destroying the leadership of the New Republic. They had a peace but now they started a war.


after the fact - Alderaan was run by a infertile king, who stole someone else's baby to raise as his own. This king was funding a rebel overthrow of the current galactic government & maybe it was a good thing they got rid of this madman.
 
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Hopefully gonna see this again today or tomorrow. I've let it sink in, and I did enjoy it, and I do like where they're going with the series.

I still do think they dropped the ball in really explaining the state of the galaxy. I mean I picked up the basics.. The New Republic is the Government, First Order is a competing government and the resistance is fighting back yadda yadda. But we don't really know what's so wrong with the First Order, until they blow up a bunch of planets.. I would have liked to see more time spent explaining what we missed in the last 30 years. I suppose they want to keep that available for TV shows, books, etc.. but still..

I tried looking up the new "Extended Universe" materials, books, etc that are the new canon but it's kind of confusing.

Is anything worth it? Most of them seem like Young Adult works..
 

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My 2 cents:

The good:
Fun action - Abrams brings the over the top cool action and effects. Made the Ties and X-Wings better than ever.
Way less annoying characters, effects, plot holes than the prequels - though that's not really very saying much.
Better effects integration - effects not just there for the sake of "look what we can do." Loved the speed of it.
Some cool new characters - Rey was a decent heroine, Fin as the escapee did reasonably well, Poe as the fighter jock was cool if not a little underdeveloped.
Reasonable treatment of the old ones - Storm Troopers get to be at least a little better treatment than in previous versions, though their general chick was a paper tiger. Glad to see Han go out before needing a hover chair. Liked Chewie.

The bad:
New supersized emperor guy - seems like they could have done something a little more original.
New supersized Death Star... er... planet - see above.
Minimized version of Vader - Ren was not intimidating, with or without the mask.
Mini R2 - seems like they could have been a little more creative than that.
Lots of other carbon copy of EP 4.

The annoying:
Ren - he's bargain Vader. While I get that he kind of represents the dimished empire, he needed to at least be a lot more ninja like in battle or something. He just wasn't scary... at all. I mean, he could stop a blaster in mid air, but not when he really needed to. He seemed to lose control, but not when it would have really been scary to go fully unhinged on Fin or Rey.
Instant proficiency - Fin would have cut his own legs off with the light saber. The fact that he even lasted a minute with Ren dimished Ren even farther. I kind of get Rey having some force abilities (they all but said she'd Luke's kid), but even she should have stood zero chance against Ren after all his years of training (Jedi and Dark). Also, where'd she learn piloting the Falcon? Or anything besides scavaging for that matter?
Physics - Death Star, er... Planet needed a ton more development to make me believe it could withstand half the power which it was supposedly harnessing and then wielding (sucking a sun dry to use it's power to destroy multiple planets). It's so powerful that it ends the republic in one fail swoop, but then, of course, it always has a simple Achilles... Just knock out the oscillator, of course... Ask Fin, the convenient garbage man...
Fin knows all - just because he was a basic storm trooper give him access to high level prisoners on the Star Destroyer, makes him know everything about beating the former empire. Not realistic. Plus he was sweating profusely like the whole movie...

Anyway, I did enjoy it, and I'm only hard on it because it deserves to be done well (way better than Lucas did with the prequels). Overall, I like the Abrams treatment, just like I did for Trek. Let's hope EP 8 steps it up even more...
 

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Finally saw it tonight. A lot to take in even after reading the spoilers beforehand. My takeaway-
Poe- meh
Finn- meh
Rey- yes.
I'm thinking/ hoping Rey is Han & Leia's daughter rather than Luke's. Twins run in the Skywalker line and she has dark hair like Kylo/ Ben. Was sad to see Han go but the most emotional part of the movie for me was the final scene where Rey offers Luke his old light saber. Looking forward to Ep. 8