G.I. Joe Classified Series (1:12)

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Plus, the retro lines usually only go for one or two waves, then they change the card deco or discontinue altogether. While some people really go nuts for them, I find them to be a waste unless I really like the classic deco. I mean, it'll be good to get a motorcycle-less Baroness for those who didn't jump on the Target release... hopefully with better glasses.

Sadly, you'll never get a coherent display out of them, as the art is all over the place. It's a visual nightmare:

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I wonder though, with the precedent of the original artwork, if maybe 6" Retro could potentially buck the trend on the cardbacks and keep one style or just have simple variations, like the originals did with the later digital "explosions."

As for number of waves for Joe, I suppose it will likely just come down to whether they are making money on them or not, as in, are there enough additional figs they could make money on to keep making new releases? I think Joe has a finite number of characters that are popular enough to sell up to the production level needed, at least in Hasbro's mind.
 

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But just like the previous retro line, they'll get bored of it (or run out of already-produced characters to repaint) long before they reach any kind of critical mass for a proper MOC display.
 

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New cryptic Classified computer listings:

-TF Duke (Target) with vehicle (just my guess, maybe a TF RAM but probably a tiger force version of the baroness venom cycle since TF/PP saw most of the vehicles swap teams.)

-Trooper builder 2-pack (assumed to be like the ML and SW ones, Viper + Viper Officer maybe?)

-New figure with Pet deluxe set (Mutt&Junk? Law&Order? who knows...)
 

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Oh, that's out of the blue. I have no use for a TF Duke w/ or w/o a repainted bike (or anything TF or PP for that matter). Back in the day I did end up with a "Tigerfly," but that was only because I had never gotten the real one... and I could barely stand it then. That sucker had a lot of yellow and white for a "tiger" camo paintjob...

I did end up getting the redeco Duke and a redeco Roadblock, but only because I was short of Joes, and those are less obnoxious than the originals. I did have to display Duke behind the others to try to hid that torso joint a little. Besides, he's less likely to get captured there... :LOL:

The 2 pack sounds okay, but only if they are priced less than the cost of buying two figs. None of those weird, jacked up prices of the ML "Anniversary" sets. Greenshirts? Or those confirmed as Cobra?

Any chance they are just picking up Croc Master or SE w/ Timber on the figs with pets? Or have those been ruled out? Has there been any other scuttle about a Mutt fig? He was one of my original favs.
 

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I had a TF Duke back in the day just because I'd broken the crotch on my regular duke, but I never liked the figure. His hair color swap was even more inexplicable than Hawk's. And I bought a TF Flint just because I liked the green pants. I swapped the green pants onto the black torso as a more comic styled "regular" flint, as I had no use for tiger-themed decos. I never owned any PP figures, such ugly designs. I understand the allure of repaints if you're a toy maker, but damn those were terrible. I was amazed when they made them, and I'm still stunned by the fans that like them. It makes me question all of their other life choices ;)

Not sure about the troop 2-pack. One of the initial rumors months ago mentioned a viper officer, but I'm not clear if they knew something or were just wildly guessing. The Pulse Exclusive ML SHIELD 2-pack is only $32, so if it's one of those no-frills army builder sets, they'll be less than two regular figures, but if they come with all the accessories and such, they'll probably be in the 40-45 range. No clue.

I think these are listings for new stuff, as they still use vague codewords and such different from the SE and Croc listings, so it's assumed that the Character + Pet is one we haven't seen before. I too would prefer Mutt and Junkyard over any others I could think of. I'll always prefer '82-85 characters over all others, unless they're some weird 90's deco or something.
 
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I like your idea with Flint if you didn't care for the camo pants. Thinking back, I may have gotten TF Flint at some point, as I'm sure I probably wore the heck out of the original one and he looks familiar. I believe I had a PP Viper at some point as well. I probably got him due to the limited options for new stuff later in the line (post the shark jump). Otherwise, it was just the Tiger Fly, which I don't remember even playing much with, as it was kinda gross.

The only thing I think I truly loved that late in the line was the Phantom X-19. Even though it was based on debunked (or were they? *cough" Aurora *cough*) concepts from a stealth fighter that turned out to be the F-117 and B-2 :sick:, it was still (IMO) the most epic vehicle since the Night Raven and Tomahawk. It would have been epic had it come out the same time as the NR to truly counter it. Anyhoo, memories... :LOL:
 

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It wasn't that I didn't like the camo pants... I didn't like that they were brown. The black/green comic version of Flint was always better than the shit brown 'toon version, and my hybrid toy was as close as I could get to this:

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The Stealth Fighter was badass. I still have mine, largely intact/complete IIRC. It was certainly the best from the entire line post-'86.

Looking at YoJoe.com, I think the very last vehicle I bought in the ARAH era was the Arctic Blast in '89, but that was more of a whim purchase just trying to bolster the snow troops. I still bought a handful of carded figures in '89, but the X-19 and DEMON in '88 were the highlights of my last big toy-christmas before I outgrew such things. I was out by mid-'89 (i.e. the start of high school).... all the way to 200x, sometime mid-VvV, right before the DTC era began.
 
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I guess I didn't mind the original colors of Flint's pants. I remember there being brown, but I always considered it the secondary color, and thus not clashing too much with the black shirt/beret. I did, however change out that shotgun to Airborne's carbine. A team leader in the field needed a weapon with a little more range! I actually replaced the Classified version of Flint's little stockless shotgun with Gung Ho's stocked version (ebay) and put the little one in his pouch in the back. As soon as they come out with a decent futuristic analog of the M4, he'll likely end up with that. I might even do Duke's original color one (since Duke has the subdued one now) if I run across one for the right price.

Yeah, the DEMON was the only real (kind of) highlight of the IG force. I had that red flying thing and the pirate looking guy with the silly bike too at some point, but never really got much use out of any of them, as I was beyond huge battles on the living room carpet by then as well. Had they not wasted time and resources on TF, PP, NF and Cobra Lalalalalala, they could have built the IG army into something of a significant rival to Joe & Cobra back before the line began to really wane. There was a ton of potential there as that was the coolest version of Destro for sure. I think that was an example of H'bro not having the right people with the right imagination and vision in place to keep the line fresh and of a reasonable, non-recycled quality.

If memory serves, I'm pretty sure running across YoJoe.com was a big reason I actually constructed a complete Phantom jet again from ebay purchases right before the 25th came along. I wanted it again, just because it was epic, and maybe because I never felt like I got to appreciate just how well it was designed as a kid "growing out of" my Joes by the time it came along. Having that nostalgia resurgence meant it was completely unfair of Hasbro to release the 25th when it did. Only the laziest versions of the lamest figures and vehicles (as long as they were not on sale :LOL:) did not entice me at that point.
 

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I've been seeing a lot of listings for the BAT and Alley Viper up on Mercari and eBay. They seem to have potentially leapfrogged over the Spirit/SS wave. Has anybody run across them in the wild?
 

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Well, they never had a set release date like the other wave, so I don't know that I ever had an expectation about which would come first. Definitely haven't seen any in the wild. Most of the people I've seen that have them got them first from Amazon and Pulse. Of course, mine were ordered from Dorkside and BBTS, so I'm still waiting.
 
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Newly announced in today's livestream, no POs yet, just renders:

Classified 6"
Tomax
Xamot
Stalker
Viper Officer + 2x Viper (3-pack)

(announced and assumed to be 6" retro cardback WM exclusives)
Baroness (new face print... that looks just like the last one)
Destro (sunbow deco)
Gung-Ho (sunbow deco)
Lady Jaye (toy deco... that looks just like the normal release)

Retro 3.75" O-ring
Duke & Cobra Commander 2-pack (sunbow deco)
Cobra Officer & Trooper 2-pack

They all look pretty good. Not blowing my doors off, but certainly good enough to add to the collection. While it's utterly stupid, I kinda love that they gave sunbow Destro black eyebrows on the mask. It makes him look more like an evil genius and less like a metallic cancer patient.

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T&X look good and are likely a yes, but only work if they release some CGs (which would make more sense over Viper variants at this point - are those the same sculps? They look different in the pic than the one I have.). I also have no need for goldy. Stalker looks to be a definite yes.

That Gung Ho looks better than the first version, particularly for retro fans, but is still likely a pass for me. I never had him as a kid, so no nostalgia to overcome those weird color choices. I’ll pick up Baroness if she’s better than the bike version, but actually think the Kareness version is more lifelike and attractive, so will likely keep that if the repack is as homely as the original. I’ve go no need for eyebrows Destro, agua camo GH or LJ repack, unless they look totally awesome on their retro cards for MOC collecting. (And those definitely seem like weird first releases for that, but whatever).
 

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As of now, I’m getting a little excited to get Spirit and SS, which both look great, if a little (more retro and) out of place amongst most of the previous figs in the line. I found a pre-order at GameStop, which claims they will be shipped on/around 2/1. If that happens, I’ll be thrilled, as that’s a full 5 months ahead of EE’s estimate.

I want to pre-order AV and BAT from there (2/16 arrival) as well, but BAT is out of stock (they strangely had it on sale already :wtf:). I can’t get the free shipping on that pre-order like I did the other, so will need to wait and see if AV comes into direst stock on 2/16 so I can order it with a Marvel Legends pack I have in my cart. But that would also be well ahead of EE/BBTS, so I’ll be on it if it does. And then I’ll just have to figure out how to get the BAT.

They seem to be showing up in plentiful numbers on eBay and Mercari, so i doesn’t seem like the delivery estimates are completely ludicrous, nor that they are held up any longer in the shipping backups. So, fingers crossed.
 

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They managed to get one of the former brand managers back, a guy that actually understands Joe and its 40-something fandom. So the line is definitely drifting back towards classic/ARAH designs and away from the original weird faux-future videogame decos. The current stuff is making the first few waves look pretty wonky, IMO.

They're definitely going to quickly obsolete all the customs I've done... which is par for the course. The fastest way to get a character released is for me to try and make one ;)

And FYI, the same rumors that correctly stated that the next wave would be Stalker and the crimson twins also told us that a Crimson Guard, Zarana, and Dusty would be the following wave. Everyone expects those to be announced next month, so no worries about the twins being orphaned without their entourage.

I ordered Spirit, SS, and the Officer from both Pulse and BBTS, but there's been no word from either of them. Pulse is going to ship my SE/SS new o-ring figs next week though. I'm anxious to see those in person and get a feel for how badly I want to collect those MOC now that the next ones have been announced.

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Along those same lines... years ago, just before the 25th stuff dropped, I amassed a second set of ARAH figures assuming my son would need his own Joes. Both the 25th line and his apathy towards Joe have since rendered that effort irrelevant. Thus I decided that I'd find the best example of each figure in my possession, do any required touch-ups, potentially replace all the o-rings with silicon/nylon upgrades, and re-card them for my toy room display.

Thus, I dropped a huge wad last month ordering reproduction cardbacks and blisters for all of my classic ARAH Joes from Beggar's Canyon. Every figure, '82-'86 plus several cherry-picked ones from '87-'88 and every custom card they have designed for a bunch of vehicle drivers. Gonna be a lot of work.

... so get ready for Hasbro to re-release EVERYONE as soon as I'm finished in a couple of years. ;)
 
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Lol, so you’re the one... :p I was wondering why GI Joe had recently gained such momentum! Keep at it so the line can keep rolling!
 
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