G.I. Joe Classified Series (1:12)

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Yeah, one of my favorite memories of my son's childhood (nearly a decado ago) is when he got into superheroes, even if it was brick-based. He built Mega Castle Greyskull for me, had the lego Pigs from Angry Birds capture the Guardians of the Galaxy using x-men Sentinels and hole up in the castle for a base. They had to be rescued by the rest of the heroes... spidey, x-men, etc. using the guardian's ship and the x-men blackbird.

It was a wild scene that took me back. In that moment, I knew I'd done my best to give him the opportunity to have the kind of fun that I did back in the day. It's all you can do.
 

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Hard pass on both. Each is too far out there in their own way.

Seeing them lean into the same subgroups that sunk the OG and also seeing so much product headed to closeout stores lately feels no bueno. Momentum has waned and things seem to be trending downward. I'm afraid we are approaching the shark ramp at this point, or maybe we're already in the air...
 

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For those of you into making your troops "modernized", Vala has a deal for you. The new tin set has a zillion armors, plate carriers, helmets, belts, holsters, etc. It's not a cheap set, but on a per part basis, much like their weapons tin, it's probably an absolute steal.


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Oh man! I was ready to go buy it right now, but it's coming soon. I will keep in on my radar. That's totally up my alley, especially since I have all but exhausted a similar gear bundle I received from a benefactor a while back. ;)

Vala armor vests are immediately superior simply because they made the smart decision to make them open and close seamlessly on one side so you aren't forced to cut and glue like with CS chest gear.

Thank you for the heads up!
 
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That kind of came out of nowhere, at least for me. Cool looking in its own right I guess, but I never cared for the girl SE storyline, so I'll likely be passing on it. I do wonder if this is indicating a shift to including more comic characters going forward.
 

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Yeah, I hope it means more comic figures, but I kinda feel like this was a one-off due to it being revealed at a special Hama event... but that's just my guess.

I'm torn, as I too am not a huge fan of the girl-SE storyline, but it's a nice looking figure, and the headsculpt is one of the best females I've ever seen from hasbro. I'll be tempted to get one just because.

As for classic comic characters, we're getting a Dr Venom in the Monster Force line at BBTS. Wade Collins is easy enough to customize, and I don't have a burning need for all of the "Masters" from StormShadow's clan. If we can just get someone to make a Kwinn (jungle and arctic), Billy, Candy, and Dr Appel, I'd be a happy camper.
 
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Looks like my Night-Viper is processing at EE so I should get it in a week or so. Hopefully that means HnR and fCG won't be far behind.

Also, Target has Desert Scorpion on sale for $27. Still not interested.
 

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Target has the Desert Scorpion 40% off, now less than a basic figure. I still can't pull the trigger, as I just can't see a scenario where I would need the guy, the scorpion, or the alternate Lenny face. Divers are on sale too.

 

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“Smart” Post or weather related? We didn‘t get mail for two weeks after our first and second snowstorms that iced over our neighborhood, and UPS was out for delivery for about a week on a couple non-toy packages last week.
 

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Amazon in-house delivery. Last friday they said it would be delivered monday. Then early in the week, they said my order was split due to supply chain issues. Then it was delayed until wednesday. Then thurs. Then friday... and it still didn't come.

Now the app says Sunday... which better not be true, as I'll be pissed if they deliver to a closed business on sunday of a long weekend. I have delivery instructions to only deliver M-F during business hours, closed weekends and holidays... but they aren't that bright.
 

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Ok… Themes of the show seem to be repaints, weird and… skinny Lenny cowboy and dinosaurs(?) :wtf:

I kind of like the Special Forces guy, at first glance at least, but most of that stuff is NOT GI Joe.
 
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Yeah.... ooof. I can say with great honesty, I have never felt such apathy for a series of Classified releases. After buying Nemesis Enforcer and Pythona, I'll probably get a couple of royal guards, a Zanya, and an Airtight, but otherwise, this is a steaming pile of 'meh'.

Dinosaurs? 90's Overlord? Dude that looks like a Fortnite Cowboy? Mystical Night Creeper repaint and Crimson Trubble Bubble? It's clear that Lenny is focused on "kewl", not Joe in the least. He's a 90's fan, and it's seriously showing. Neon Ninjas meet Jurassic Park. Can't get much more 90's than that. Hard pass.

It's telling that Desert Scorpion is already on clearance. That 90's stuff simply doesn't sell, especially at nearly $50 for a z-list character and unrealistically huge (robot?) bug.

This is where I have to take a deep breath, remind myself that not everything is aimed at the classic ARAH demographic and that people 20 years younger than us have disposable income now too. I guess if they can get people to spend dollars on this pile of nonsense, it'll help keep the line alive to get us the vintage characters we want to see? Maybe? I hope?

I'm more excited about the S7 o-rings than anything the classified team showed off. And that's sad.
 

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Yeah, it’ll be interesting to see how the youtube personalities respond on this batch too. I’m only intending to get Zanya and the SF guy at retail. I will likely end up with Hydro-Viper and Airtight (and maybe SE-DM, though she’ll need a new codename and bio) when they drop below $20. The rest can rot on the shelves, as I believe they will, before they get shipped off to Ross and Ollies.
 

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Damn, hasbro must feel extra confident about these new reveals... or they're going to soak the early adopters before they all hit clearance. Zanya with fisher-price chameleon is $60, and the new generic deluxe spec forces action soldier is $43 (these were $35 last year). And he looks like a straight-up Short-Fuze with different gear. I was hoping he would get a darker shirt that I could swap with SF to make a more classic version, but no, this guy also has light green shirt and dark pants. WTF Mattel.
 

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I see a pile of clearance items here. Who’s signing off on this stuff? Maybe the new even higher prices are them banking on gouging the completists before this junk warms shelves. Is that really a strategy?
 
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That's my assumption. I would wait for clearance on some of these... if I wanted them at all. Problem is, I can't see a scenario where I would ever use, display, or photograph the Dino-viper or Fortnite Cowboy.

Who are these for... Who thinks they belong in a Joe universe... and who is willing to pay inflated 2026 rates for weird non-sequiturs? It's "mind-bottling".
 
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It is definitely that. I get them wanting to add some original stuff to the line to "make it their own," but never at the expense of the original, beloved or at least well-regarded content. Seems like somebody's creative leash has gotten a little (or a lot) too long.
 

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Soooo... HnR and Lifeline, finally opened them up. Long story short, they're pretty good with a few caveats.

Hit-n-Run is definitely the better of the two. He was always one of my favorite later-80s ARAH figures. He had a tactical function that wasn't outlandish (or ninja-ish), his deco was green camo - not neon fuchsia, and he came with lots of cool gear. The Classified rendition hits all those marks. You definitely need to heat the helmet and goggles to get them on without risk of tearing the plastic, as they fit pretty tight. The goggles are actually molded in translucent red plastic and then the straps are painted black, not the opposite. I was pleasantly surprised that his face-paint is actually green, not a heavy brown tint like in some of the promo pics. That would have been terrible.

If I had one nitpick, it would be that his hands seem ever so slightly too small for the handle of his gun, so it doesn't want to stay put... or maybe the grip isn't shaped quite right. I have it situated just fine for display, but I know moving him much will cause it to fall out easily. The other minor niggle is that the notches on his up-down ankle tilt are exactly out of phase with where you'd want him to be. One notch has him leaning too far forward, the next notch, too far back. So you feel like you're straddling the razor's edge to get him standing straight up. The problem is compounded by him having a huge bag, making him more unstable. It's not a big deal, but a little annoying.

Lifeline is solid but could have been better. The obvious problem is his head sculpt that looks more like a steel mill worker than a dashing young doctor. The head belongs on a Tollbooth custom, not lifeline. Fortunately, once you put his helmet on, it covers much of his noggin and feels like less of a problem. I simply won't be displaying him sans headgear.

Speaking of his helmet, it also needs to be heated to get the chinstrap on safely. The helmet design is extremely similar to HnR's, clearly made by the same designer, if not the same mold with slight tweaks. Unfortunately, this means he suffers the opposite problem of Sci-Fi, in that Lifeline's helmet is far too bulky. It makes his noggin look huge, as if the helmet has lots of internal padding. It's out of place given the ARAH design of a very slim, tight, rigid hockey-like helmet. This one reminds me of something the Oktober Guard would wear, or those NFL players afraid of concussions that wear the bulbous padding over their standard helmets and look like bobbleheads.

The glasses are nice, translucent green as they should be. And they further hide his old-steel-worker face. With the helmet on, I was able to put the glasses in place and get them to stay put, which was nice. Getting them to sit in exactly the right place was challenging, but it could be worse. However, without the helmet, they would fall off just like Buzzer's glasses. I really wish Classified would abandon the removable glasses gimmick. No one displayed them without... unless the glasses fell off and got lost.

Overall, Lifeline isn't a bad interpretation. The head, helmet, and glasses could be better. I've heard a lot of online griping about how they minimized the big RESCUE on his leg to be smaller and in a different font, as well as the addition of kneepads. I don't like the kneepads, but I guess I'm just glad Lenny didn't give him shin-guards or tattoos. His gear is nice (oxygen mask, IV bag, opening med-kit)... except the medkit seems to have nothing but oxygen tanks inside, that aren't removable, nor do they have any way to attach the hose of the oxygen mask. WTF Mattel. I would be tempted to accuse hasbro of intentionally giving him all of these flaws to make the retro sell better, but I'm no longer convinced the line will be around long enough to ever see a retro Lifeline. I think this is as good as we're gonna get.

Oddly, while not being repaints of each other, both figures use a slightly new waist/thigh combo. They're both slightly taller than the basic Joe (compounded by the fact that Lifeline is now on my shelf right next to Leatherneck... LL should not be a bigger boy than the angry marine). But they also share a new crotch-cover that is... for lack of a better term... poofier than previous figures. Maybe they're trying to simulate baggy pants (?), but the end result is that they both give off 25th diaper-crotch vibes. It isn't apparent in photo shots, but in-hand, I couldn't help but notice.

Not a deal breaker, but it's just another indicator that they're employing some sub-par designers. Weird crotches, bad head sculpts, gear that doesn't work, doesn't fit, or isn't useful... for all that Classified has done right the last 6 years, they still haven't figured out how to not shoot themselves in the d!@#. That's a bad combination when they've raised the prices 50% since 2020.
 
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Hmm, overall I'm less and less excited with the direction the line is going. Designs getting weirder and quality slipping while prices continue to rocket up = not great.

I suppose we may never know if the quality/price issues are at least partially a result of uprooting and moving production. That is unless the line really turns the corner and gets back on track before fully self destructing. Right now I'm not overly optimistic.
 
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I think the quality in general has always been ok, as I don't think I've broken anything (gummy weapons and overly tight joints are the worst offenders)... but some of the aesthetic and design choices are questionable. But to be fair, none of that is new. From the beginning, we've gotten gold trim, shin guards, tattoos, and less-than-ARAH-faithful deco choices for no reason.

I know the team does some of that just to get attention (i.e. not do everything as expected), and they want to modernize and spice up some of the designs... but even at that, I question the ways they go about it. Other times, I know they're using sub-optimal molds because the "right" ones are not available for whatever reason. But I go back to what I originally expected from the line, and we're an order of magnitude past that, so it's hard to complain too loudly.

Part of me wishes we had some different people running the line that understand ARAH better... until I look around at SW and TF and see how poorly managed those brands are. In comparison Lenny and Co. look like Steve Jobs. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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That's fair. I need to temper my recent discontent with appreciation for everything that has come before. Every good thing does have to eventually run its course, and, while you hate to see it happening in the moment, the line has to be taken as a whole to be a pretty significant success.
 
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Yeah, one of my favorite memories of my son's childhood (nearly a decado ago) is when he got into superheroes, even if it was brick-based. He built Mega Castle Greyskull for me, had the lego Pigs from Angry Birds capture the Guardians of the Galaxy using x-men Sentinels and hole up in the castle for a base. They had to be rescued by the rest of the heroes... spidey, x-men, etc. using the guardian's ship and the x-men blackbird.

It was a wild scene that took me back. In that moment, I knew I'd done my best to give him the opportunity to have the kind of fun that I did back in the day. It's all you can do.
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These kids love board games and will play risk or chess and checkers but they also love video games and especially Mario Cart.
 

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Maybe the new even higher prices are them banking on gouging the completists before this junk warms shelves. Is that really a strategy?
Hasbro’s strategy has always been price high, the market will adjust when it goes on sale.

What’s interesting is that since they need to price match licensed products like Star Wars, the profit per unit for GI Joe is much better, which is why we get the amount they we have gotten & why they are willing to bring out 90s killed the original line designs. Because the overall risk is less.
 

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I hate that this actually annoys me. Now we start getting nearly full length file cards, for these guys, in English instead of abbreviated ones in 10 languages and only for the retros? This should have been happening from the beginning on all the figs. It feels like they are trying to "add value" since they know these offerings are scraping the bottom of the barrel. It smells of concern (I won't call it desperation... yet) that they won't stand on their own.

Ugh... Happy thoughts... Happy thoughts... 😝
 

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Five new POs today, one a few days ago and a few more to come. I wish I felt the need to lock in even one of them. The few that I would care to own at all, I would not pay full price for. The only one I have any concern about missing out on would be Zanya, and not even all that strongly. I feel like HV, AT, Legacy SF and DM will all be widely available and discounted, and probably sooner rather than later.

I am a little interested to see what the next Legacy figure will be, and also to see how Deep-Six turns out. I could see myself on the hunt for discounted SF or two and whatever the other one will be, once they hit Ollie's or Ross. Other than that, just hoping for a pleasant surprise or two in the next couple months, maybe new retros. I don't really know when all the info drop events usually happen each year, besides Yo Joe June, and that's still out there a bit.
 

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I ordered Airtight, Hydro, and Royal Guard. Airtight is the only one from today I care much about... not because he's a good character, but my internal completionist needs him to fill out the '85 shelf. And I have to say, it's a pretty solid looking figure, ignoring that he's highly impractical from a battle unit standpoint.

Zanya feels like a must, just wish she wasn't saddled with the my-first-swamp-skier. Deep-Six is a must, as we don't have many characters from the early years left. Other than Flash, regular Ripcord, a proper v2 SE, and proper v2 Roadblock, we're down to just drivers already in the '82-'86 range... (and a much improved Lady Jaye is highly needed).

I'm assuming the Legacy figures will start getting their own repaints soon enough. I think they've already hinted that the firefighter might come in other colors. I just can't get excited about any of them outside of custom potential. Not being named characters, there is no nostalgia-factor, and they're always "deluxe", so I can hardly justify $35-$45 for a generic figure outside of an Ollie's-level discount. People buying Legacy generics at full MSRP must have vastly different collecting goals/priorities than I do.
 
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Looks like my HnR just "shipped" (meaning will ship in another couple days) from EE now as well. They really need to work up a "pile o' loot" option like BBTS has. This is like the third time in a row that figs have come into stock just in time to miss being shipped with the other fig(s) in my order. They have to be taking a bath on the free shipping each time that happens.

I wouldn't have minded had they held off the shipping of NV by a day or two and shipped them both via real UPS Ground together instead of them shipping separately a couple days apart by UPS "Smart" Post. They still likely would have arrived about the time the first one will with notso Smartpost.

Meh, whatever, still free for me and I'm really not in a rush anyway. Crazy though how the fCG wave came into stock (but apparently only if you bought the full wave) at EE a couple weeks ago, and yet she will be the last one to come. There must be a method, but I don't get it. 🤷‍♂️